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Original thread:

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_...&p=6825271

***** BREAKING NEWS *****

OFFICIAL DATA FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD OF GOVERNORS CONFIRMS BANKS WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY TO LEND BY LATE THIS YEAR

OUR "FRACTIONAL RESERVE" BANKING SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE NOT LATER THAN 2009

http://www.halturnershow.com/index.html



The Chart above came directly from the federal reserve. It shows that late this year, "Non-Borrowed Reserves of Depositiory Institutions" will hit zero.

In layman's terms this means all cash reserves of the banks will have been lent out; there won't be any more money to lend to anyone.

If banks have no money to lend, then consumers cannot buy things on credit. Even if they could buy on credit, businesses will not be able to borrow to restock inventory or get raw materials for manufacturing. With consumers not buying and with business unable to manufacture or restock, businesses will have to layoff employees. MASSIVE layoffs. Huge unemployment.

As folks lose their jobs, they won't have money coming in to repay any outstanding debts they already have. The bad debts will take out the banks. No credit, no business, no jobs. Total economic collapse.

The only hope they have of delaying (not avoiding) this massive collapse is to change the fractional reserve rules to allow Banks to lend even more money than they have in reserves.

When they make that rule change, they will have to pump several TRILLION in cash into the economy; which will result in almost immediate hyper-inflation. Other currencies will rise sharply against the U.S. dollar resulting in all imported goods skyrocketing in price. Since we don't manufacture anything in our country anymore, these skyrocketing prices will impact everything we buy.

As people find themselves unable to afford the basic necessities of life, social chaos will erupt.

Cities, dependent upon outside sources of food and other goods, will erupt into chaos sooner than outlying areas. There will be food riots. As happens anytime a major emergency occurs, the Blacks and Hispanics will do what they always do: loot, pillage and burn.

As the cities disintegrate into anarchy, folks in suburbs will soon find themselves targets of starving, violent two-legged animals. Without food to buy or steal in the cities, the savages will move to attack the suburbs to take YOUR food and YOUR goods.

When this takes place, you'd better make sure you have enough guns and ammunition to protect yourself, your family and your property. Shoot to kill. Don't worry about the law, because there won't be any law.

Dialing 911 will be useless because the looting, violence and anarchy will totally overwhelm local, county and state law enforcement.

Whether the feds change the fractional Banking rules now or not, the scenarios outlined above will take place. The only question remaining is WHEN the scenarios will take place: In September 2008, February 2009 or at some later date after the rules change once the hyper-inflation kicks-in.

Ladies and gentlemen, I am sorry to tell you that in our lifetime we will see the literal collpase of the United States. We will see oursleves a nation gone mad. It will be a madness that cannot be restrained, but which can only exhaust itself in blood.

When the time for bloodshed comes, I want all of you to know exactly who is to blame so those people can be hunted down and dealt with. To that end, let me make clear, all of the trouble coming at us later this year and into early next year is is going to happen because of our federal government borrowing itself (and us) into oblivion.

The government was aided and abetted by rich jew bankers - the federal reserve. The jew bankers refused to stop lending to our long-Bankrupt government and even went so far as to monetize government debt so the jew bankers could earn billions in interest for themselves, even though they knew the coming social chaos would take place.

When the collapse happens, it will be time to take up arms and overthrow the government of the United States by force, violence and assassinations. The politicos who got us into this mess must pay a price so terrible that others who follow them will knnow to behave -- or face the same fate.

The jew bankers in the federal reserve must also pay the same terrible price. Slaughter would be appropriate.

Folks are already e-mailing me asking "What can I do to protect myself." The short answer is prepare now. Start accumulating food to feed yourself and your family for upwards of a full year!

Stock up on canned foods. Lots of canned foods. They don't go bad for years and the price you pay now will be a lot cheaper than if you wait.

Buy large amounts of BREAD FLOUR to bake your own bread. If you cannot get BREAD FLOUR, buy "All Purpose Flour" and also "WHEAT GLUTEN" to add to it for baking bread. You'll need yeast for the bread, so buy yeast too.

Buy large amounts of dried rice and dried oatmeal.

Buy Honey. Cinnamon, brown sugar and white sugar. Lots of white sugar. Salt. Pepper.

When the crash happens and the supermarkets are empty it will be too late. Plan now. You only have until September of this year to prepare, so get to it.

You can cook some rice, open a can of food, pour the can over the rice, heat it up and have a full, healthy meal.

At breakfast, you can cook up some oatmeal, put honey, cinnamon or brown sugar on top and have a healthy breakfast.

Buy a gravity-fed water filter system and additional filters for it.

Have at least one hand gun for each mature teenager and adult in your family. Have at least one twelve guage shotgun for your family. Have at least one hunting rifle, a .308 or 30-06 to hunt for food. Have ammunition for each weapon and make certain you and your family know how to use them all.

It's gonna get ugly, folks. Real ugly. The feds may delay it awhile, but they cannot avoid it.]]>
Original thread:

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_...&p=6825271

***** BREAKING NEWS *****

OFFICIAL DATA FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD OF GOVERNORS CONFIRMS BANKS WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY TO LEND BY LATE THIS YEAR

OUR "FRACTIONAL RESERVE" BANKING SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE NOT LATER THAN 2009

http://www.halturnershow.com/index.html



The Chart above came directly from the federal reserve. It shows that late this year, "Non-Borrowed Reserves of Depositiory Institutions" will hit zero.

In layman's terms this means all cash reserves of the banks will have been lent out; there won't be any more money to lend to anyone.

If banks have no money to lend, then consumers cannot buy things on credit. Even if they could buy on credit, businesses will not be able to borrow to restock inventory or get raw materials for manufacturing. With consumers not buying and with business unable to manufacture or restock, businesses will have to layoff employees. MASSIVE layoffs. Huge unemployment.

As folks lose their jobs, they won't have money coming in to repay any outstanding debts they already have. The bad debts will take out the banks. No credit, no business, no jobs. Total economic collapse.

The only hope they have of delaying (not avoiding) this massive collapse is to change the fractional reserve rules to allow Banks to lend even more money than they have in reserves.

When they make that rule change, they will have to pump several TRILLION in cash into the economy; which will result in almost immediate hyper-inflation. Other currencies will rise sharply against the U.S. dollar resulting in all imported goods skyrocketing in price. Since we don't manufacture anything in our country anymore, these skyrocketing prices will impact everything we buy.

As people find themselves unable to afford the basic necessities of life, social chaos will erupt.

Cities, dependent upon outside sources of food and other goods, will erupt into chaos sooner than outlying areas. There will be food riots. As happens anytime a major emergency occurs, the Blacks and Hispanics will do what they always do: loot, pillage and burn.

As the cities disintegrate into anarchy, folks in suburbs will soon find themselves targets of starving, violent two-legged animals. Without food to buy or steal in the cities, the savages will move to attack the suburbs to take YOUR food and YOUR goods.

When this takes place, you'd better make sure you have enough guns and ammunition to protect yourself, your family and your property. Shoot to kill. Don't worry about the law, because there won't be any law.

Dialing 911 will be useless because the looting, violence and anarchy will totally overwhelm local, county and state law enforcement.

Whether the feds change the fractional Banking rules now or not, the scenarios outlined above will take place. The only question remaining is WHEN the scenarios will take place: In September 2008, February 2009 or at some later date after the rules change once the hyper-inflation kicks-in.

Ladies and gentlemen, I am sorry to tell you that in our lifetime we will see the literal collpase of the United States. We will see oursleves a nation gone mad. It will be a madness that cannot be restrained, but which can only exhaust itself in blood.

When the time for bloodshed comes, I want all of you to know exactly who is to blame so those people can be hunted down and dealt with. To that end, let me make clear, all of the trouble coming at us later this year and into early next year is is going to happen because of our federal government borrowing itself (and us) into oblivion.

The government was aided and abetted by rich jew bankers - the federal reserve. The jew bankers refused to stop lending to our long-Bankrupt government and even went so far as to monetize government debt so the jew bankers could earn billions in interest for themselves, even though they knew the coming social chaos would take place.

When the collapse happens, it will be time to take up arms and overthrow the government of the United States by force, violence and assassinations. The politicos who got us into this mess must pay a price so terrible that others who follow them will knnow to behave -- or face the same fate.

The jew bankers in the federal reserve must also pay the same terrible price. Slaughter would be appropriate.

Folks are already e-mailing me asking "What can I do to protect myself." The short answer is prepare now. Start accumulating food to feed yourself and your family for upwards of a full year!

Stock up on canned foods. Lots of canned foods. They don't go bad for years and the price you pay now will be a lot cheaper than if you wait.

Buy large amounts of BREAD FLOUR to bake your own bread. If you cannot get BREAD FLOUR, buy "All Purpose Flour" and also "WHEAT GLUTEN" to add to it for baking bread. You'll need yeast for the bread, so buy yeast too.

Buy large amounts of dried rice and dried oatmeal.

Buy Honey. Cinnamon, brown sugar and white sugar. Lots of white sugar. Salt. Pepper.

When the crash happens and the supermarkets are empty it will be too late. Plan now. You only have until September of this year to prepare, so get to it.

You can cook some rice, open a can of food, pour the can over the rice, heat it up and have a full, healthy meal.

At breakfast, you can cook up some oatmeal, put honey, cinnamon or brown sugar on top and have a healthy breakfast.

Buy a gravity-fed water filter system and additional filters for it.

Have at least one hand gun for each mature teenager and adult in your family. Have at least one twelve guage shotgun for your family. Have at least one hunting rifle, a .308 or 30-06 to hunt for food. Have ammunition for each weapon and make certain you and your family know how to use them all.

It's gonna get ugly, folks. Real ugly. The feds may delay it awhile, but they cannot avoid it.]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=98 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:33:10 +0100 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=98


There can be little doubt that every human being possesses an Ego. In fact, having an Ego is what defines our very nature. Broadly speaking, the functions of Ego lie in its ability to nurture and protect the Self.

Without the Ego a human simply ceases to be human by failure to sustain the Self. The Ego therefore is indispensable for survival. Unfortunately however, it is not always used to nurture and protect its host in the most efficient and appropriate manner when keeping its wellbeing in mind. Success in sustaining the Self depends on how the Ego is used. If the functions of the Ego are proper, one could speak of a healthy Ego. If they are improper, the Ego may be called unhealthy.

Unhealthy Egos fail by shifting emphasis from normal or healthy Ego-functions to functions that are ultimately and paradoxically damaging to the host. Examples of healthy Ego functions would be actions that directly attend to the biological survival needs of the bearer and, by natural extension, everyone dear to him or her. In other words, a healthy Ego focuses on primary survival needs of him or her, his or her family and primary material belongings.



A classic and relevant example of a fatally unhealthy Ego is provided by the theme of the well-known Greek tale of Narcissus [4]. Narcissus was a man who was obsessed with his own beauty to the point of becoming dismissive of all needs and drives in life that would have mattered to any healthy human being. The tale concludes with Narcissus becoming mesmerized by his very own mirror-image to such extreme extent that it ultimately leads to his own demise. The moral of the story makes an excellent illustration of the principled misallocation of the functions of the Ego. That is, in the case of Narcissus, the Ego shifts from seeking to attend the nurturing and protecting functions of the self, to nurturing and protecting a mere visual image of the Self, a weak and routinely artificial surrogate of the true Self. The Ego of Narcissus thus perverts to become a pompous and heartless archetypal guardian of vanity and, as such, inescapably spells doom to its keeper.

This is a wonderfully accurate metaphorical rendition of the perennial tragedy of the human Ego. We too often are too much engaged with nurturing and protecting mere images (or mirages) of the Self, while neglecting the demands and interests of the genuine Self. As such, by systematically betraying our true Self we categorically fail in becoming spiritually healthy and thus hopelessly fail to gain a natural sense of happiness, one that promises to emerge were we to have a properly functioning and non-corrupted Ego.

Another tragic perversion of the Ego lies in the human tendency to procure and hoard material riches, an inclination that, of and by itself, is not necessarily counter-productive since a minimum of material possessions is necessary for self-sustenance. However, the obsessive habit of seeking to acquire more and more matter (e.g. money hoarding) is likely to have a detrimental outcome to the wellbeing of its keeper.

We seem to have an almost innate longing to not be content with already acquired wealth but to continually strive for expansion of one's own base of material riches. Perhaps there is an underlying minority complex at the heart of the problem. After all, unless you feel comfortable with what you already have, why would you invest your own precious resources in wanting to have more than your neighbour does?

The ramifications for the Ego regarding matter acquisition I propose to be the following mechanism. With every newly acquired material object the Ego, out of necessity, must expand its domain of protection if control over the object is to be maintained. Thus the domain of the Ego, or Ego-Sphere if you will, is an increasing function of the extension, or quantity, of gained material wealth. Stated succinctly, richness requires a progressively inflating Ego. This drive to defend one's material riches can easily become pathological if the original and inherently benign functions of the Ego are superseded. As with Narcissus, the preoccupation of the Ego with the defense and nurture of surrogate images of the Self may ultimately wreak itself in the development of conditions that are paradoxically detrimental to the self. For instance, workaholic businessmen, while becoming extremely successful and rich as Rothschilds, they may also become so narcissistic that it causes them to neglect their physical health and become viable to lethal diseases or afflictions (e.g. cancer and heart-attacks), or it may cost them their marriage, or cause them to lose precious relationships (with their next of kin). For many people life is but a sad and wasteful rat-race where, by default, good health is all too eagerly sacrificed to Mammon and Tinseltown icons and essentially irrelevant pursuits.

Besides Narcissism, another consequential tragedy of the perversion of the Ego lies in its implications for the enjoyment of freedom. Let us first settle on a workable and practical definition of freedom. A free person is someone who has been able to maximize his or hers degree of manoeuvrability, chiefly by maximizing detachment from agents that serve to undercut this manoeuvrability. A free person, for all practical purposes, is unrestrained to go, be and do whatever he or she pleases as long as it does not conflict with other people's expression or desire of his or her freedom. When there is such a conflict, any possible resolution that is applied, by necessity, implies a reduction of the freedom in at least one of the involved parties since a moment of conflict is but a temporary occurrence. It is an elementary given that if a person has a large protective Ego-sphere it becomes increasingly cumbersome and difficult to maintain the enjoyment of freedom without running into conflicts with concurrent Egos.

There's a cute analogue to be found from elementary particle physics where particles are now to be substituted by Ego-spheres. As such, pictorially, in terms of Ego-spheres the situation can be rendered as follows:



The message of this picture illustrates that people with inflated Egos (or Ego-spheres) unfortunately experience progressively less enjoyment of freedom. This is quite a strong argument in favor of the age-old saying that money does not bring happiness. Indeed, if freedom is a measure of happiness it seems that happiness as a function of material wealth features an optimum rather than happiness being an ever increasing function of matter. Hence we pinpointed the inherent tragic risk associated to being wealthy. The sketch of the situation is as follows:



References:

1.Introspection

2.Observation

3.Reflection

4.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism]]>


There can be little doubt that every human being possesses an Ego. In fact, having an Ego is what defines our very nature. Broadly speaking, the functions of Ego lie in its ability to nurture and protect the Self.

Without the Ego a human simply ceases to be human by failure to sustain the Self. The Ego therefore is indispensable for survival. Unfortunately however, it is not always used to nurture and protect its host in the most efficient and appropriate manner when keeping its wellbeing in mind. Success in sustaining the Self depends on how the Ego is used. If the functions of the Ego are proper, one could speak of a healthy Ego. If they are improper, the Ego may be called unhealthy.

Unhealthy Egos fail by shifting emphasis from normal or healthy Ego-functions to functions that are ultimately and paradoxically damaging to the host. Examples of healthy Ego functions would be actions that directly attend to the biological survival needs of the bearer and, by natural extension, everyone dear to him or her. In other words, a healthy Ego focuses on primary survival needs of him or her, his or her family and primary material belongings.



A classic and relevant example of a fatally unhealthy Ego is provided by the theme of the well-known Greek tale of Narcissus [4]. Narcissus was a man who was obsessed with his own beauty to the point of becoming dismissive of all needs and drives in life that would have mattered to any healthy human being. The tale concludes with Narcissus becoming mesmerized by his very own mirror-image to such extreme extent that it ultimately leads to his own demise. The moral of the story makes an excellent illustration of the principled misallocation of the functions of the Ego. That is, in the case of Narcissus, the Ego shifts from seeking to attend the nurturing and protecting functions of the self, to nurturing and protecting a mere visual image of the Self, a weak and routinely artificial surrogate of the true Self. The Ego of Narcissus thus perverts to become a pompous and heartless archetypal guardian of vanity and, as such, inescapably spells doom to its keeper.

This is a wonderfully accurate metaphorical rendition of the perennial tragedy of the human Ego. We too often are too much engaged with nurturing and protecting mere images (or mirages) of the Self, while neglecting the demands and interests of the genuine Self. As such, by systematically betraying our true Self we categorically fail in becoming spiritually healthy and thus hopelessly fail to gain a natural sense of happiness, one that promises to emerge were we to have a properly functioning and non-corrupted Ego.

Another tragic perversion of the Ego lies in the human tendency to procure and hoard material riches, an inclination that, of and by itself, is not necessarily counter-productive since a minimum of material possessions is necessary for self-sustenance. However, the obsessive habit of seeking to acquire more and more matter (e.g. money hoarding) is likely to have a detrimental outcome to the wellbeing of its keeper.

We seem to have an almost innate longing to not be content with already acquired wealth but to continually strive for expansion of one's own base of material riches. Perhaps there is an underlying minority complex at the heart of the problem. After all, unless you feel comfortable with what you already have, why would you invest your own precious resources in wanting to have more than your neighbour does?

The ramifications for the Ego regarding matter acquisition I propose to be the following mechanism. With every newly acquired material object the Ego, out of necessity, must expand its domain of protection if control over the object is to be maintained. Thus the domain of the Ego, or Ego-Sphere if you will, is an increasing function of the extension, or quantity, of gained material wealth. Stated succinctly, richness requires a progressively inflating Ego. This drive to defend one's material riches can easily become pathological if the original and inherently benign functions of the Ego are superseded. As with Narcissus, the preoccupation of the Ego with the defense and nurture of surrogate images of the Self may ultimately wreak itself in the development of conditions that are paradoxically detrimental to the self. For instance, workaholic businessmen, while becoming extremely successful and rich as Rothschilds, they may also become so narcissistic that it causes them to neglect their physical health and become viable to lethal diseases or afflictions (e.g. cancer and heart-attacks), or it may cost them their marriage, or cause them to lose precious relationships (with their next of kin). For many people life is but a sad and wasteful rat-race where, by default, good health is all too eagerly sacrificed to Mammon and Tinseltown icons and essentially irrelevant pursuits.

Besides Narcissism, another consequential tragedy of the perversion of the Ego lies in its implications for the enjoyment of freedom. Let us first settle on a workable and practical definition of freedom. A free person is someone who has been able to maximize his or hers degree of manoeuvrability, chiefly by maximizing detachment from agents that serve to undercut this manoeuvrability. A free person, for all practical purposes, is unrestrained to go, be and do whatever he or she pleases as long as it does not conflict with other people's expression or desire of his or her freedom. When there is such a conflict, any possible resolution that is applied, by necessity, implies a reduction of the freedom in at least one of the involved parties since a moment of conflict is but a temporary occurrence. It is an elementary given that if a person has a large protective Ego-sphere it becomes increasingly cumbersome and difficult to maintain the enjoyment of freedom without running into conflicts with concurrent Egos.

There's a cute analogue to be found from elementary particle physics where particles are now to be substituted by Ego-spheres. As such, pictorially, in terms of Ego-spheres the situation can be rendered as follows:



The message of this picture illustrates that people with inflated Egos (or Ego-spheres) unfortunately experience progressively less enjoyment of freedom. This is quite a strong argument in favor of the age-old saying that money does not bring happiness. Indeed, if freedom is a measure of happiness it seems that happiness as a function of material wealth features an optimum rather than happiness being an ever increasing function of matter. Hence we pinpointed the inherent tragic risk associated to being wealthy. The sketch of the situation is as follows:



References:

1.Introspection

2.Observation

3.Reflection

4.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=97 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:43:05 +0100 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=97 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=96 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:41:52 +0100 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=96 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=94 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:11:16 +0100 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=94
The reason that I ask is that perhaps some of the Catholic church's secrets can be deduced through who the Catholic church did and did not persecute.

The Catholic church's persecution of heliocentricism and other transgressions are rather well-known, but were there ideas at the time of the Inquisition that equally ran contrary to the Bible or RCC doctrine, but the Catholic church did not persecute?

Persecuted:
1) Heliocentricty (Capernicus, Galileo, Bruno, others?)
2) Denial of Pope's absolute temporal & spiritual power and infallibility
3) Opposition to Confession

Not Persecuted:
1) "Actual grace" dogma

My background is not in theology. Anybody care to add to these lists?]]>
The reason that I ask is that perhaps some of the Catholic church's secrets can be deduced through who the Catholic church did and did not persecute.

The Catholic church's persecution of heliocentricism and other transgressions are rather well-known, but were there ideas at the time of the Inquisition that equally ran contrary to the Bible or RCC doctrine, but the Catholic church did not persecute?

Persecuted:
1) Heliocentricty (Capernicus, Galileo, Bruno, others?)
2) Denial of Pope's absolute temporal & spiritual power and infallibility
3) Opposition to Confession

Not Persecuted:
1) "Actual grace" dogma

My background is not in theology. Anybody care to add to these lists?]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=89 Sat, 17 May 2008 10:28:43 +0100 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=89 Khaqan Khan shaking hands with Jens Stoltenberg, current Prime Minister of Norway

http://images.google.com/images?q=Stoltenb...sa=N&tab=wi


Quote: Fri, 16 May 2008

To Whom It May Concern:

Our MW.Brother Khaqan Khan from Akershus Lux Lodge 33o (RGLE) member of the ORDO ILLUMINATORUM UNIVERSALIS and the MEC in Monte Carlo is officialy nominated today President of the Committee of Hope in the Orient of Oslo (Norway).

Fraternaly & Sinceraly yours,
MWGM.Bro.Leo Lyon Zagami 33o
MEC (Principaute de Monaco)

From fresh email from Leo]]> Khaqan Khan shaking hands with Jens Stoltenberg, current Prime Minister of Norway

http://images.google.com/images?q=Stoltenb...sa=N&tab=wi


Quote: Fri, 16 May 2008

To Whom It May Concern:

Our MW.Brother Khaqan Khan from Akershus Lux Lodge 33o (RGLE) member of the ORDO ILLUMINATORUM UNIVERSALIS and the MEC in Monte Carlo is officialy nominated today President of the Committee of Hope in the Orient of Oslo (Norway).

Fraternaly & Sinceraly yours,
MWGM.Bro.Leo Lyon Zagami 33o
MEC (Principaute de Monaco)

From fresh email from Leo]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=88 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:42:27 +0100 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=88
Dubai in 1990


The same street in 2003


Last year


Dubai is said to currently have 15-25% of all the world's cranes.


The Dubai Waterfront. When completed it will become the largest waterfront development in the world.


All of this was built in the last 5 years, including that island that looks like a palm tree.


The Palm Islands in Dubai. New Dutch dredging technology was used to create these massive man made islands. They are the largest artificial islands in the world and can be seen from space. Three of these Palms will be made with the last one being the largest of them all.


Upon completion, the resort will have 2,000 villas, 40 luxury hotels, shopping centers, movie theaters, and many other facilities. It is expected to support a population of approximately 500,000 people. It is advertised as being visible from the moon.
]]>
Dubai in 1990


The same street in 2003


Last year


Dubai is said to currently have 15-25% of all the world's cranes.


The Dubai Waterfront. When completed it will become the largest waterfront development in the world.


All of this was built in the last 5 years, including that island that looks like a palm tree.


The Palm Islands in Dubai. New Dutch dredging technology was used to create these massive man made islands. They are the largest artificial islands in the world and can be seen from space. Three of these Palms will be made with the last one being the largest of them all.


Upon completion, the resort will have 2,000 villas, 40 luxury hotels, shopping centers, movie theaters, and many other facilities. It is expected to support a population of approximately 500,000 people. It is advertised as being visible from the moon.
]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=87 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:37:39 +0100 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=87


Quote: On the 29th of March I receive the invitation to a very interesting conference regarding the denied truth of Aldo Moro's assassination, a conference to be held in the foreign press HQ's in Rome for the presentation of a film/documentary on this very sad event that took place 30 years ago in 1978...

You can find more about President Aldo Moro on this
link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro

were you can also find the following that should make you realize who were the real perpetrators of this murder and why they are still covering up the truth about his assassination , as the alternative point of view regarding Moro's death seems the most real to me and others who have my knowledge of the events:

Alternative point of views about Moro's death (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro)

Many other theories have been advanced about Moro's death. Some[attribution needed] suggest that Moro's murder could have been orchestrated by the Italian Masonic lodge, Propaganda Due (also known as P2), or that the Red Brigades (BR), which is claimed to have had an inside "supergang" type of core-team, was infiltrated by US intelligence (CIA). The alleged presence of two motorcycle riders in the kidnapping has been proposed[attribution needed] to explain the rapidity and cleanliness of the act, in which the kidnappers, as well as Moro, remained untouched while all the escorts were killed: but it has never been confirmed. Another theory[attribution needed] is that
P2 members in the secret services sabotaged the investigation or intentionally failed to uncover the location where Moro was being held, in order to ensure his eventual death at the hands of the BR. Although Gladio's influence on Italy's strategy of tension may have been proven (see the Bologna massacre as one example), no concrete proof has been found of Gladio's interference with Moro's kidnapping. Historian Sergio Flamigni, an erstwhile communist party member, believes Moretti was used by Gladio in Italy to take over the Red Brigades and pursue a strategy of tension.
The "Gladio network", directed by NATO, has also been accused. In BR member Alberto Franceschini's book, Aldo Moro is described as one of Gladio's founders.
Evidence has emerged to support this view of American involvement in the overarching events known as the strategy of tension, and of known strong American foreign policies against the then looming historic (unprecedented in post war times) coalition that would have admitted the eurocommunist PCI into a government of national unity, the fear on the US side being that Italy thereafter might withdraw from NATO and that the U.S. would have then lost access to vital Mediterranean ports.Moro's widow later recounted Moro's meeting with US President Nixon's advisor, Henry Kissinger, and an unidentified American intelligence official, who warned him not to pursue the strategy of bringing the Communist Party into his cabinet, telling him "You must abandon your policy of bringing all the political forces in your country into direct collaboration...or you will pay dearly for it."
Moro was allegedly so shaken by the threat that he became ill and threatened to quit politics.


This was the invitation to the conference sent to me by a friend:

MORO, la verità negata MORO the truth denied

31 Marzo 2008 ore 11.30 Sala Stampa Estera

Via dell'Umiltà 83/C 00187 Roma

tel. 06-675911 fax 06-67591262

segreteria@stampa-estera.it

my friend also wrote:

Ci sarà, tra gli altri: Marco Saba, il principe lolli-ghetti, l'ammiraglio Accame, il generale Porta, Ferdinando Imposimato, Otello Lupacchini, etc. etc.
più un sacco di giornalisti. Ricco buffet e dopo possiamo stare un po' assieme.

There will be amongst the others Marco Saba, Prince Lolli Ghetti , Admiral Accame , General Porta (Italian intelligence ) , Ferdinando Imposimato and (illustrius magistrate) Otello Lupacchini.

Well there were alot of interesting people from the intelligence and military comunity present in Via dell'Umilta in Rome on the 31st of March 2008 including the daughter of Aldo Moro called Maria Fida and Ive collected photographic evidence that I include in my attachments bellow of my meeting with her and all the other characters mentioned above.

In my small speach to the conference I stated that the P2 played an important part in this assassination and the manipulation of the so called Red Brigades because they were the mind behind the GLADIO operations. Admiral Accame that talked about GLADIO during his talk also confirmed to me the same thing and Prince Lolli Ghetti stated that Kissinger a notorious satanist from the Bohemian Grove was one of the main puppet masters of this sad tragedy.

The day after unfortunately none of the national or even international newspapers present wrote anything
about it.... and this terrible silence surrounding
Aldo Moro's assassination continues even after Maria Fida Moro announced officialy in this conference that she is about to leave Italy because she feels betrayed by this corrupt system and her father's supposed friends, I support Maria Fida in her decision and I demanded a applause for this decision in front of the crowd present for this conference. It was a very intense moment of my stay in Italy tat's for sure.

I write all this in memory of Aldo Moro a true italian hero not to be forgotten.

Leo Lyon Zagami
4th of April 2008
Rome (Italy)

Email from Leo, received yesterday...

Interview of Leo by Eric Jon Phelps in which Leo reports on the above commemorative event on Moro in Rome:

http://www.mediafire.com/?7tnnc2ykcg1]]>


Quote: On the 29th of March I receive the invitation to a very interesting conference regarding the denied truth of Aldo Moro's assassination, a conference to be held in the foreign press HQ's in Rome for the presentation of a film/documentary on this very sad event that took place 30 years ago in 1978...

You can find more about President Aldo Moro on this
link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro

were you can also find the following that should make you realize who were the real perpetrators of this murder and why they are still covering up the truth about his assassination , as the alternative point of view regarding Moro's death seems the most real to me and others who have my knowledge of the events:

Alternative point of views about Moro's death (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro)

Many other theories have been advanced about Moro's death. Some[attribution needed] suggest that Moro's murder could have been orchestrated by the Italian Masonic lodge, Propaganda Due (also known as P2), or that the Red Brigades (BR), which is claimed to have had an inside "supergang" type of core-team, was infiltrated by US intelligence (CIA). The alleged presence of two motorcycle riders in the kidnapping has been proposed[attribution needed] to explain the rapidity and cleanliness of the act, in which the kidnappers, as well as Moro, remained untouched while all the escorts were killed: but it has never been confirmed. Another theory[attribution needed] is that
P2 members in the secret services sabotaged the investigation or intentionally failed to uncover the location where Moro was being held, in order to ensure his eventual death at the hands of the BR. Although Gladio's influence on Italy's strategy of tension may have been proven (see the Bologna massacre as one example), no concrete proof has been found of Gladio's interference with Moro's kidnapping. Historian Sergio Flamigni, an erstwhile communist party member, believes Moretti was used by Gladio in Italy to take over the Red Brigades and pursue a strategy of tension.
The "Gladio network", directed by NATO, has also been accused. In BR member Alberto Franceschini's book, Aldo Moro is described as one of Gladio's founders.
Evidence has emerged to support this view of American involvement in the overarching events known as the strategy of tension, and of known strong American foreign policies against the then looming historic (unprecedented in post war times) coalition that would have admitted the eurocommunist PCI into a government of national unity, the fear on the US side being that Italy thereafter might withdraw from NATO and that the U.S. would have then lost access to vital Mediterranean ports.Moro's widow later recounted Moro's meeting with US President Nixon's advisor, Henry Kissinger, and an unidentified American intelligence official, who warned him not to pursue the strategy of bringing the Communist Party into his cabinet, telling him "You must abandon your policy of bringing all the political forces in your country into direct collaboration...or you will pay dearly for it."
Moro was allegedly so shaken by the threat that he became ill and threatened to quit politics.


This was the invitation to the conference sent to me by a friend:

MORO, la verità negata MORO the truth denied

31 Marzo 2008 ore 11.30 Sala Stampa Estera

Via dell'Umiltà 83/C 00187 Roma

tel. 06-675911 fax 06-67591262

segreteria@stampa-estera.it

my friend also wrote:

Ci sarà, tra gli altri: Marco Saba, il principe lolli-ghetti, l'ammiraglio Accame, il generale Porta, Ferdinando Imposimato, Otello Lupacchini, etc. etc.
più un sacco di giornalisti. Ricco buffet e dopo possiamo stare un po' assieme.

There will be amongst the others Marco Saba, Prince Lolli Ghetti , Admiral Accame , General Porta (Italian intelligence ) , Ferdinando Imposimato and (illustrius magistrate) Otello Lupacchini.

Well there were alot of interesting people from the intelligence and military comunity present in Via dell'Umilta in Rome on the 31st of March 2008 including the daughter of Aldo Moro called Maria Fida and Ive collected photographic evidence that I include in my attachments bellow of my meeting with her and all the other characters mentioned above.

In my small speach to the conference I stated that the P2 played an important part in this assassination and the manipulation of the so called Red Brigades because they were the mind behind the GLADIO operations. Admiral Accame that talked about GLADIO during his talk also confirmed to me the same thing and Prince Lolli Ghetti stated that Kissinger a notorious satanist from the Bohemian Grove was one of the main puppet masters of this sad tragedy.

The day after unfortunately none of the national or even international newspapers present wrote anything
about it.... and this terrible silence surrounding
Aldo Moro's assassination continues even after Maria Fida Moro announced officialy in this conference that she is about to leave Italy because she feels betrayed by this corrupt system and her father's supposed friends, I support Maria Fida in her decision and I demanded a applause for this decision in front of the crowd present for this conference. It was a very intense moment of my stay in Italy tat's for sure.

I write all this in memory of Aldo Moro a true italian hero not to be forgotten.

Leo Lyon Zagami
4th of April 2008
Rome (Italy)

Email from Leo, received yesterday...

Interview of Leo by Eric Jon Phelps in which Leo reports on the above commemorative event on Moro in Rome:

http://www.mediafire.com/?7tnnc2ykcg1]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=86 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:16:58 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=86 Quote:----- Original Message -----
From: Tom FRIESS
To: Tom Friess
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: read and forward to every journalist you know

Please read and forward this e-mail to every journalist that you know.

Dear Journalist,

In my four years of full time research, I've discovered something that will shock you, and will also help explain what nobody seems to be able to comprehend about what's really happening in this country. Few know, and even fewer dare to talk about it. Particularly the media.

As you know, our unalienable rights are these: Freedom of speech, press, conscience, religion, bear arms, assembly, privacy, swift and fair trial by jury of peers, habeas corpus, posse comitatus, AND free and fair elections.

Do you know what is unique about these specific freedoms besides being God given and unalienable?

They are all uniquely PROTESTANT freedoms!

What makes them PROTESTANT freedoms?

Because virtually every single one of these freedoms are not only forbidden, but are specifically condemned in Roman Catholic Canon Law.

Please keep reading and let me substantiate my assertions. You will be stunned by much of it. I'm going to tell you things that people just won't talk about.

Ever wonder why there seems to be so much debate of late as to whether or not there really is a wall of separation between church and state?

Ever wonder why the Roman Catholic Church is so politically active, and why the Ecumenical Protestant Churches are joining that political activism?

This political activism is being contrived to prepare them for the coming union of church and state in the USA.

Ever wonder why there are 155 practicing Catholics in Congress, and the next largest religious group has only 30 or so practitioners? And don't forget, MOST of the Protestants represented in Congress are ECUMENICAL Protestants! (Look up Vatican II and the definition of Ecumenism).

Quote:
Thomas More overseeing the burning of Tyndale Bibles

http://spirituallysmart.com/redmasspics.html

Ever wonder why the Patriot Act seems to have done the most damage to our uniquely PROTESTANT freedoms, and that it was hurriedly passed immediately after 9-11 with almost no one in our overwhelmingly Catholic controlled Congress reading it before they voted it into law?
And don't forget, the Patriot Act would have literally taken YEARS to prepare by a team of lawyers. Also don't forget that it's author was an assistant Attorney General named Viet D. Dinh, who was an orphaned immigrant Vietnamese Catholic refugee working with Jesuit Georgetown University.



If you know an honest Roman Catholic Attorney, have him compare the Patriot Act with Roman Catholic Canon Law. Also ask him to tell you what a Red Mass is and who it's "patron saint" is. It's Saint Thomas More. He was a British law maker and he is honored by the Catholic Church for his brutal persecution and burning at the stake of hundreds of British Protestants. Look it up yourself on Google. The Red Mass is held each year in honor of the most powerful lawyers, judges, government officials, and law makers in this country. The Patriot Act is nothing less than Roman Catholic Canon Law under another title and cover. It destroys most of our Bill of Rights and Constitutional Rights. And they got it passed by calling it "Patriot" no less! And it's "patron saint" is one of the most brutal and celebrated Inquisitors in British history.

Ever hear of Christopher Strunk? He's a long time NY attorney who has discovered, throughout his years of law practice, that NY State law is nothing but Roman Catholic Canon Law under another cover. Now he is running for the 18th district NY State Senate seat on an anti-Catholic/anti-Jesuit platform, the first in our nation's history. He has also, under the FOA, requested a CIA inquiry into the Jesuit Order on the premise that the Jesuits, who have been expelled from 83 countries and city states for political intrigue over the last 500 years, are actually agents of a foreign government (Vatican) operating illegally in this country as spies for a foreign government (Vatican), and that each Jesuit in this country should be registered with our government as such, and that they should be expelled from this country under the Logan Act. Who are Christopher Strunk's most ardent supporters? Roman Catholic women! Why? Because they love their Protestant Freedoms that we all enjoy, and they are sick and tired of all the scandals of the Roman Catholic Church, particularly the pedophile priest epidemic that is so well known to them but is sequestered in the mainstream media and mishandled by our Vatican controlled court system. Their kids are at risk by their own priests, and the Jesuit priests are the worst pedophiles in the bunch.

Quote:
George Bush and Wife at Catholic Mass Folding arms, turning himself into a skull and crossbones. They are receiving ashes on their heads in the shape of a cross for the Catholic "Ash Wednesday".

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/bush.html


Did you know that, during his initiation ceremony into the Skull and Bones Society at Yale University, George W. Bush, after ritually kissing the toe of a caricature of the pope, and similarly paying homage to a caricature of the messiah of Freemasonry (Hiram Abiff), was finally dubbed three times with a sword by a caricature of a mystical character referred to by Bonesmen as, "Don Quixote," who actually and clandestinely represents none other than the founder and first Superior General of the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church named Saint Don Ignatius Loyola, and that he knighted George W. Bush a "Knight of Eulogia"?

Did you know that "Eulogia" is an ancient term that was used to describe what is now known as the Eucharist? Did you know that, despite his profession of Protestantism, President George W. Bush is actually and truly an oath spitting warrior for the Roman Catholic Church?

Ever wonder why President GWB has made no less than 5 known trips to the Vatican, an autonomous City State of no less than a whopping 108 acres? Ever wonder why all the Kings of the earth, and all the religious leaders of the earth, make similar regular visits, even the Prime Ministers of Israel and their Palestinian counterparts? Ever wonder why they all go there? Ever wonder who they're going there to see? Ever realize that the Vatican is both a religion and a state, and that the Pope rules autonomously over both?

Did you know that the CIA Director at the time of 9-11, George Tenet, is a high "Knight of Malta", also an oath spitting warrior for the Vatican?

Quote:
George HW Bush with JP II and eight pointed star behind them. You can see from Bush's demeanor that he is subservient to the Papacy.

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/bush.html

Did you know that George H. W. Bush (CFR, Bohemian Grover, Ronald Reagan's Vice President) is also an oath spitting Skull and Bones warrior for the Roman Catholic Church?

Did you know that the Skull and Bones emblem, the Skull and Crossbones, is the identifying trademark of the Jesuit Order, and that, Roman Catholic Heinrich Himmler admittedly organized the Gestapo after the fashion of the Jesuit Order, and adopted the Jesuit Skull and Crossbones emblem as recognition of the Jesuit Order after which he modeled his Gestapo?

Did you know that most of the most powerful positions in our government and the military are CFR, Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, and Scottish Rite Freemasonry?

Did you know that President Ronald Reagan, a 33 degree Freemason, met Pope John Paul II in Alaska for a meeting in 1984, and in that meeting, JPII condemned the USA as decadent, ridden with crime and murder and abortion, materialistic, immoral, drug infested, and that, in response, President Ronald Reagan said, "Holy Father, I give you my country"?

And did you know that, as soon as President Reagan returned to the White House, he formally recognized the Vatican as a nation and signed a secret concordat (a direct violation of the Constitutional Separation Clause) and fully restored diplomatic relations with the Vatican, relations which were suspended with extreme prejudice in 1867 after the trial of John Surratt, when it was discovered positively that the Vatican was directly responsible for the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln?

Did you know that Ronald Reagan's secret concordat and reopening of diplomatic relations with the Vatican also marked his firing of the Federal Air Traffic Controller's Union, which started a domino style labor union busting response by all the large high paying corporations and industries in this country, and that, soon thereafter, NAFTA and GATT were signed into law, and that industry and corporations started to flood out of this country to set up shop in poor CATHOLIC and other Vatican controlled countries in the 3rd world?

]]> Quote:----- Original Message -----
From: Tom FRIESS
To: Tom Friess
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: read and forward to every journalist you know

Please read and forward this e-mail to every journalist that you know.

Dear Journalist,

In my four years of full time research, I've discovered something that will shock you, and will also help explain what nobody seems to be able to comprehend about what's really happening in this country. Few know, and even fewer dare to talk about it. Particularly the media.

As you know, our unalienable rights are these: Freedom of speech, press, conscience, religion, bear arms, assembly, privacy, swift and fair trial by jury of peers, habeas corpus, posse comitatus, AND free and fair elections.

Do you know what is unique about these specific freedoms besides being God given and unalienable?

They are all uniquely PROTESTANT freedoms!

What makes them PROTESTANT freedoms?

Because virtually every single one of these freedoms are not only forbidden, but are specifically condemned in Roman Catholic Canon Law.

Please keep reading and let me substantiate my assertions. You will be stunned by much of it. I'm going to tell you things that people just won't talk about.

Ever wonder why there seems to be so much debate of late as to whether or not there really is a wall of separation between church and state?

Ever wonder why the Roman Catholic Church is so politically active, and why the Ecumenical Protestant Churches are joining that political activism?

This political activism is being contrived to prepare them for the coming union of church and state in the USA.

Ever wonder why there are 155 practicing Catholics in Congress, and the next largest religious group has only 30 or so practitioners? And don't forget, MOST of the Protestants represented in Congress are ECUMENICAL Protestants! (Look up Vatican II and the definition of Ecumenism).

Quote:
Thomas More overseeing the burning of Tyndale Bibles

http://spirituallysmart.com/redmasspics.html

Ever wonder why the Patriot Act seems to have done the most damage to our uniquely PROTESTANT freedoms, and that it was hurriedly passed immediately after 9-11 with almost no one in our overwhelmingly Catholic controlled Congress reading it before they voted it into law?
And don't forget, the Patriot Act would have literally taken YEARS to prepare by a team of lawyers. Also don't forget that it's author was an assistant Attorney General named Viet D. Dinh, who was an orphaned immigrant Vietnamese Catholic refugee working with Jesuit Georgetown University.



If you know an honest Roman Catholic Attorney, have him compare the Patriot Act with Roman Catholic Canon Law. Also ask him to tell you what a Red Mass is and who it's "patron saint" is. It's Saint Thomas More. He was a British law maker and he is honored by the Catholic Church for his brutal persecution and burning at the stake of hundreds of British Protestants. Look it up yourself on Google. The Red Mass is held each year in honor of the most powerful lawyers, judges, government officials, and law makers in this country. The Patriot Act is nothing less than Roman Catholic Canon Law under another title and cover. It destroys most of our Bill of Rights and Constitutional Rights. And they got it passed by calling it "Patriot" no less! And it's "patron saint" is one of the most brutal and celebrated Inquisitors in British history.

Ever hear of Christopher Strunk? He's a long time NY attorney who has discovered, throughout his years of law practice, that NY State law is nothing but Roman Catholic Canon Law under another cover. Now he is running for the 18th district NY State Senate seat on an anti-Catholic/anti-Jesuit platform, the first in our nation's history. He has also, under the FOA, requested a CIA inquiry into the Jesuit Order on the premise that the Jesuits, who have been expelled from 83 countries and city states for political intrigue over the last 500 years, are actually agents of a foreign government (Vatican) operating illegally in this country as spies for a foreign government (Vatican), and that each Jesuit in this country should be registered with our government as such, and that they should be expelled from this country under the Logan Act. Who are Christopher Strunk's most ardent supporters? Roman Catholic women! Why? Because they love their Protestant Freedoms that we all enjoy, and they are sick and tired of all the scandals of the Roman Catholic Church, particularly the pedophile priest epidemic that is so well known to them but is sequestered in the mainstream media and mishandled by our Vatican controlled court system. Their kids are at risk by their own priests, and the Jesuit priests are the worst pedophiles in the bunch.

Quote:
George Bush and Wife at Catholic Mass Folding arms, turning himself into a skull and crossbones. They are receiving ashes on their heads in the shape of a cross for the Catholic "Ash Wednesday".

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/bush.html


Did you know that, during his initiation ceremony into the Skull and Bones Society at Yale University, George W. Bush, after ritually kissing the toe of a caricature of the pope, and similarly paying homage to a caricature of the messiah of Freemasonry (Hiram Abiff), was finally dubbed three times with a sword by a caricature of a mystical character referred to by Bonesmen as, "Don Quixote," who actually and clandestinely represents none other than the founder and first Superior General of the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church named Saint Don Ignatius Loyola, and that he knighted George W. Bush a "Knight of Eulogia"?

Did you know that "Eulogia" is an ancient term that was used to describe what is now known as the Eucharist? Did you know that, despite his profession of Protestantism, President George W. Bush is actually and truly an oath spitting warrior for the Roman Catholic Church?

Ever wonder why President GWB has made no less than 5 known trips to the Vatican, an autonomous City State of no less than a whopping 108 acres? Ever wonder why all the Kings of the earth, and all the religious leaders of the earth, make similar regular visits, even the Prime Ministers of Israel and their Palestinian counterparts? Ever wonder why they all go there? Ever wonder who they're going there to see? Ever realize that the Vatican is both a religion and a state, and that the Pope rules autonomously over both?

Did you know that the CIA Director at the time of 9-11, George Tenet, is a high "Knight of Malta", also an oath spitting warrior for the Vatican?

Quote:
George HW Bush with JP II and eight pointed star behind them. You can see from Bush's demeanor that he is subservient to the Papacy.

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/bush.html

Did you know that George H. W. Bush (CFR, Bohemian Grover, Ronald Reagan's Vice President) is also an oath spitting Skull and Bones warrior for the Roman Catholic Church?

Did you know that the Skull and Bones emblem, the Skull and Crossbones, is the identifying trademark of the Jesuit Order, and that, Roman Catholic Heinrich Himmler admittedly organized the Gestapo after the fashion of the Jesuit Order, and adopted the Jesuit Skull and Crossbones emblem as recognition of the Jesuit Order after which he modeled his Gestapo?

Did you know that most of the most powerful positions in our government and the military are CFR, Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, and Scottish Rite Freemasonry?

Did you know that President Ronald Reagan, a 33 degree Freemason, met Pope John Paul II in Alaska for a meeting in 1984, and in that meeting, JPII condemned the USA as decadent, ridden with crime and murder and abortion, materialistic, immoral, drug infested, and that, in response, President Ronald Reagan said, "Holy Father, I give you my country"?

And did you know that, as soon as President Reagan returned to the White House, he formally recognized the Vatican as a nation and signed a secret concordat (a direct violation of the Constitutional Separation Clause) and fully restored diplomatic relations with the Vatican, relations which were suspended with extreme prejudice in 1867 after the trial of John Surratt, when it was discovered positively that the Vatican was directly responsible for the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln?

Did you know that Ronald Reagan's secret concordat and reopening of diplomatic relations with the Vatican also marked his firing of the Federal Air Traffic Controller's Union, which started a domino style labor union busting response by all the large high paying corporations and industries in this country, and that, soon thereafter, NAFTA and GATT were signed into law, and that industry and corporations started to flood out of this country to set up shop in poor CATHOLIC and other Vatican controlled countries in the 3rd world?

]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=85 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:19:18 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=85
Unfortunately, when religions, cults and secret societies band together to control the minds of people and their finances for selfish purposes, the end result is never healthy or pleasant.

I have a great deal of concern about Vatican's agenda. Rather than merely a benign religion, it is the current living root of global affairs. It is the head office for Canon Law which is the legal framework that evolved out of the Roman Empire. The legal system that ruled the world 2000 years ago still exists today, but the public is less aware than ever of it's power and significance.

This system has been constantly striving to establish an absolute monopoly over world affairs since ancient times, and it has made life miserable and intolerable for billions of people... and amid all the war and carnage, it hides behind a veneer of religion. It is a system that masquerades as a moral one, but avoids the condemnation of the sin of avarice to the maximum extent possible.

The Vatican "Roman Empire" system desires to establish itself as the perfect, universal monopoly over finance, and religion. The United Nations with it's Roman Wreath is nothing more than an extension of the bureaucratic arm of ancient Rome. This system believes that absolute control, and a monopoly of power is the only way this planet can be managed and all the while, they ignore the issue of financial fairness which is the only genuine foundation for peace.

I find no pleasure in criticizing the Vatican or studying it's endemic corruption. I have no interest in attacking anyone's faith or moral beliefs. I am simply a person living within this system, trying to figure out if there is any way of SURVIVING it's overwhelming evil and remaining physically and spiritually intact.

Investigating Vatican affairs is not an act of hatred or an attack on religion. This system of Empire has murdered millions if not billions of people over the centuries, and so long as we do not confront it's root motive; avarice - we the people remain in perpetual danger.

It's not about hating or slandering the Vatican, it's about surviving it. I wonder sometimes if that is even possible.

Trevor Kokotylo (tkra)
honesty.org]]>
Unfortunately, when religions, cults and secret societies band together to control the minds of people and their finances for selfish purposes, the end result is never healthy or pleasant.

I have a great deal of concern about Vatican's agenda. Rather than merely a benign religion, it is the current living root of global affairs. It is the head office for Canon Law which is the legal framework that evolved out of the Roman Empire. The legal system that ruled the world 2000 years ago still exists today, but the public is less aware than ever of it's power and significance.

This system has been constantly striving to establish an absolute monopoly over world affairs since ancient times, and it has made life miserable and intolerable for billions of people... and amid all the war and carnage, it hides behind a veneer of religion. It is a system that masquerades as a moral one, but avoids the condemnation of the sin of avarice to the maximum extent possible.

The Vatican "Roman Empire" system desires to establish itself as the perfect, universal monopoly over finance, and religion. The United Nations with it's Roman Wreath is nothing more than an extension of the bureaucratic arm of ancient Rome. This system believes that absolute control, and a monopoly of power is the only way this planet can be managed and all the while, they ignore the issue of financial fairness which is the only genuine foundation for peace.

I find no pleasure in criticizing the Vatican or studying it's endemic corruption. I have no interest in attacking anyone's faith or moral beliefs. I am simply a person living within this system, trying to figure out if there is any way of SURVIVING it's overwhelming evil and remaining physically and spiritually intact.

Investigating Vatican affairs is not an act of hatred or an attack on religion. This system of Empire has murdered millions if not billions of people over the centuries, and so long as we do not confront it's root motive; avarice - we the people remain in perpetual danger.

It's not about hating or slandering the Vatican, it's about surviving it. I wonder sometimes if that is even possible.

Trevor Kokotylo (tkra)
honesty.org]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=84 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:43:02 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=84 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=83 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:37:01 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=83


However, after finally becoming aware and ambitious enough to actually READ Canon Law, I found myself a bit more than merely surprised.

I found myself FRIGHTENED BY CANON LAW.

Therefore, I am going to try and document some of the more serious and bizarre sections in Canon Law, and see if I can explain how they apply to Roman Catholics, and non-Catholics alike. The Vatican considers all "Protestant" churches to be part of their traditional system. They call what's left of the Protestant movement "Separated Brethren" and subject to the dictates of Rome.

Most people could care less about stuffy old Canon Law... but the question is, does Canon Law care about, and apply to YOU? Indeed it does, and upon realizing it's implications and the threat it poses to the freedom to each and every one of us... you too may be leery, or downright afraid of Canon Law as I am.

The Inquistions, Holocausts, Witch Burnings and atrocities of history were carried out because they were authorized by LAW... but which Law? What system of law authorizes war, mayhem and mind control but remains relatively unknown to the general public?

Why does the Vatican have 172 Concordat treaties with every country in the world? Why did the persecution of the Jews in Germany begin after Hitler signed a Concordat with the Vatican in 1933?

Yes, once you realize what's REALLY going on, you too may be FRIGHTENED BY CANON LAW.

I was the first person to read Pete Vere's suggested reading list on Amazon.ca, 6 years after he last updated it on Sept 12, 2001.

http://www.amazon.ca/Essential-Canon-Law...07-6686716

In my opinion, Canon Law is the layer of law that the Vatican must keep open, but prefers to keep quiet.

THE OFFICIAL CODE OF CANON LAW (without commentary) in English is here:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

Canon 1326 is one of my favorites, and Canons 992-997 cover Indulgences. The Indulgences section in the 1917 Code of Canon Law was actually Canon 911. The 1983 code was shortened to 1752 Canons in total, and I believe this is to pay direct homage to the Code of Hammurabi of ancient Babylon. (circa 1750 B.C.) Current Canon Law appears to have largely evolved from Hammurabi's Code.]]>


However, after finally becoming aware and ambitious enough to actually READ Canon Law, I found myself a bit more than merely surprised.

I found myself FRIGHTENED BY CANON LAW.

Therefore, I am going to try and document some of the more serious and bizarre sections in Canon Law, and see if I can explain how they apply to Roman Catholics, and non-Catholics alike. The Vatican considers all "Protestant" churches to be part of their traditional system. They call what's left of the Protestant movement "Separated Brethren" and subject to the dictates of Rome.

Most people could care less about stuffy old Canon Law... but the question is, does Canon Law care about, and apply to YOU? Indeed it does, and upon realizing it's implications and the threat it poses to the freedom to each and every one of us... you too may be leery, or downright afraid of Canon Law as I am.

The Inquistions, Holocausts, Witch Burnings and atrocities of history were carried out because they were authorized by LAW... but which Law? What system of law authorizes war, mayhem and mind control but remains relatively unknown to the general public?

Why does the Vatican have 172 Concordat treaties with every country in the world? Why did the persecution of the Jews in Germany begin after Hitler signed a Concordat with the Vatican in 1933?

Yes, once you realize what's REALLY going on, you too may be FRIGHTENED BY CANON LAW.

I was the first person to read Pete Vere's suggested reading list on Amazon.ca, 6 years after he last updated it on Sept 12, 2001.

http://www.amazon.ca/Essential-Canon-Law...07-6686716

In my opinion, Canon Law is the layer of law that the Vatican must keep open, but prefers to keep quiet.

THE OFFICIAL CODE OF CANON LAW (without commentary) in English is here:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

Canon 1326 is one of my favorites, and Canons 992-997 cover Indulgences. The Indulgences section in the 1917 Code of Canon Law was actually Canon 911. The 1983 code was shortened to 1752 Canons in total, and I believe this is to pay direct homage to the Code of Hammurabi of ancient Babylon. (circa 1750 B.C.) Current Canon Law appears to have largely evolved from Hammurabi's Code.]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=82 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:07:35 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=82
I'm working on podcasting as the medium to spread awareness about the avarice issue and our essential need to return to a parity based world system. A recorded medium is needed to start getting the point across to people, and hopefully that will lead to increased interest.

This forum is at least operational so that it can accommodate feedback as interest increases. At some point, we'll probably end up with a financial catastrophe and folks are likely to start asking questions regarding why it occured, and what to do next to survive.

It's all a matter of getting ready for the inevitable... but for now it's still a lonely plight. People are still under the illusion that they are safe within the confines of the AVARICE paradigm.

Work continues...]]>
I'm working on podcasting as the medium to spread awareness about the avarice issue and our essential need to return to a parity based world system. A recorded medium is needed to start getting the point across to people, and hopefully that will lead to increased interest.

This forum is at least operational so that it can accommodate feedback as interest increases. At some point, we'll probably end up with a financial catastrophe and folks are likely to start asking questions regarding why it occured, and what to do next to survive.

It's all a matter of getting ready for the inevitable... but for now it's still a lonely plight. People are still under the illusion that they are safe within the confines of the AVARICE paradigm.

Work continues...]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=81 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:14:05 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=81


Quote:General Charles Ronald Llewelyn Guthrie, Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank, GCB, LVO, OBE, DL (born 17 November 1938) was Chief of the Defence Staff between 1997 and 2001 and Chief of the General Staff, the professional head of the British Army, between 1994 and 1997. He notably clashed with Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown over military funding.

Army career

Educated at Harrow School and the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst he was commissioned into the Welsh Guards in 1959.[1]

In 1966 he became a troop commander and then in 1968 a squadron commander with 22 Special Air Service Regiment.[1]

In 1977 he was appointed Commanding Officer of 1 Battalion Welsh Guards. In 1981 he became Brigade Commander of 4th Armoured Brigade and in 1985 General Officer Commanding 2 Division.[1]

In 1987 he became Assistant Chief of the General Staff and in 1989 General Officer Commanding 1st British Corps.[1] In 1992 he took command of the British Army of the Rhine and in 1997 became Chief of the General Staff.

Later career

He is a cross bench member of the House of Lords. He was created a life peer as Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank, of Craigiebank in the City of Dundee, after retiring as Chief of the Defence Staff. He was one of the several retired Chiefs of Defence Staff who spoke out in the House of Lords about the risk to servicemen facing liability for their actions - for which politicians are ultimately responsible - before the International Criminal Court, particularly in respect to the invasion of Iraq.[2]

He is a director (non-executive) of N M Rothschild & Sons, Ashley Gardens Block 2 Ltd and Colt Defense LLC, and Chairman (non-executive) of Siboney Ltd.[3]

He is the president of several charities, including Action Medical Research, Army Benevolent Fund, Federation of London Youth Clubs and the Progressive Supranuclear Palsy Association.[3]

Criticism

Guthrie was criticised in 2008 by George Monbiot for an apparent lack of understanding of international law.[4] Monbiot based his argument on Guthrie's September 2002 advocacy of an invasion of Iraq and subsequent comments, in which he appeared to support launching "surprise wars", something forbidden by the United Nations charter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Guthr..._of_Craigiebank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Knights_of_Malta


Quote:2002 - In December of this year, Pilgrims Society member Lord Guthrie, former chief of the Defense Staff and out of office by then, is send to Turkey to discuss a possible invasion of Iraq via Turkey. He becomes an apologist for the Bush and Blair administrations, and warns the public for biological and nuclear attacks by terrorists. According to him, Syria is one of the largest supporters of terrorism. But who else is Lord Guthrie? He's a member of the Knights of Malta, a patron of the Cardinal Hume centre, a director of N.M. Rothschild & Sons, and represents the latter to the Trilateral Commission since 2002. In the past, Guthrie has been appointed Gold Stick to the Queen and Freeman of the City of London. He was also appointed Aide-de-Camp General to the Queen in 1993.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/pi...ociety.htm


Quote:General Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank. Educated at Harrow School and went to the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst in 1957. Commissioned into the Welsh Guards in 1959. Served with his Regiment as a young officer in the United Kingdom, Libya, Germany and Aden. Joined the SAS in 1966 and served in the Middle East, Malaysia and East Africa. Returned to the Welsh Guards in 1970 and for two years commanded an armoured infantry company in Germany. After a year as a student at the Staff College, he served in the Ministry of Defence as the Assistant to the Head of the Army, the Chief of the General Staff. Brigade Major of the Household Division 1975-1977. Commanded the Welsh Guards in Berlin and Northern Ireland 1977-1980. Appointed as a Colonel to the branch overseeing operations worldwide and during his time there became briefly the Commander British Forces New Hebrides (Vanuatu). In this function he recaptured the island of Espirito Santo, which had been taken over by insurgents. Awarded the Order of the British Empire in 1980. Appointed Commander of the 4th Armoured Brigade in Munster, West Germany, in 1981. Chief of Staff, Headquarters 1st British Corps in Bielefeld, early 1980s. Became the General Officer Commanding the 2nd Infantry Division and North East District in 1985. In 1986, he became Colonel Commandant of the Intelligence Corps. Knighted in 1990. Appointed Aide-de-Camp General to the Queen in 1993. Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath 1994. After a further tour in the Ministry of Defence he became in succession the Commander of the 1st British Corps, the Northern Army Group, the British Army of the Rhine before becoming the Chief of the General Staff and finally the Chief of the Defence Staff (1997-2001). CFR/MORI report 2001: "In his valedictory speech to the Pilgrims Society in London in May of this year, the outgoing Chief of the British Defence Staff, Field Marshall Lord Guthrie, stated that the USA was the most important ally Britain had ever had, and that NATO was its most important alliance." Became a Colonel of the Life Guards and Gold Stick to the Queen in 1999. Colonel Commandant of the SAS in 2000. Became Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank in June 2001. Special adviser to Aon Special Risks, the market leading Counter-Terrorism, Political Risks, Kidnap and Ransom insurance broker and risk consultant. Non-executive director of Advanced Interactive Systems Inc. and Colt Defense LLC. Joined N.M. Rothschild & Sons as a non-executive director at the latest in 2002. Annual visitor of the Trilateral Commission since 2002. Member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. Member of the steering committee of the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS). Member of the European Council of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. In December 2002, Blair sent Lord Guthrie and Jack Straw to Turkey as an unofficial military envoy to shore up support for an invasion of Iraq and to discuss plans to remove Saddam Hussein from power. In November 2003, he was honoured by the catholic Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George and the Royal Order of Francis I. Became a non-executive special advisor of Aon Special Risks in 2004, a leading Counter-Terrorism, Political Risks and Kidnap and Ransom insurance broker and risk consultant. Freeman of the City of London. Knight of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Patron of the Order of Malta's Care Trust. Patron of the (Catholic) Cardinal Hume Centre. Vice-president of the Trinity Institute for Christianity and Culture. Commander of the Legion of Merit USA. Member of the House of Lords. In May 2004, Guthrie said at a conference on terrorism that terrorists might kill millions in the future due to biological or even nuclear weapons. He also said that he did not think that Iraq had nuclear weapons, but that this was an understandable mistake of the Bush Administration. In that same year he stated that Syria was one of the largest supporters of terrorism and has been exploiting Lebanon for a long time. Attended a discussion of the Windsor Leadership Trust in 2005. October 7, 2001, The Observer: "Lord Guthrie, the suave former British Chief of Defence Staff, has been a close friend of [Pakistani president] Musharraf for more than 20 years." Visited Oman as a paid advisor between 9 to 11 January 2004 and 10-12 January 2005. Made two 1-day visits to Libya, 4 April, 2004 and 27 June 2004, which was paid for by Government of Libya. Patron of the The Second World War Experience Centre, together with the 7th Marquess of Salisbury (Robert Gascoyne-Cecil), who is a member of Le Cercle. Sits on the board of the Ben Gurion University in Israel. Ben-Gurion was the initial premier of Israel and a close friend to the Rothschilds. Sits on the board of the Moscow School of Political Studies, which receives grants from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. Council Member of the Institute of International and Strategic Studies and a member of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. Patron of the UK Defence Forum. Vice patron of the Atlantic Council Partnership for Peace. Knight Commander of Justice and member of the Council of the British and Irish Delegation of the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of St George (catholic). The wife of Guthrie and the Duchess of Norfolk are dames of this order.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/pi...ociety.htm


Quote:GUTHRIE OF CRAIGIEBANK, Lord

*12(e) Remunerated directorships

Non-executive Director, N M Rothschild & Sons Ltd
Non-executive Director, Ashley Gardens Block 2 Ltd
Non-executive Director, Colt Defense LLC
Non-executive Director, Sciens Capital
Non-executive Chairman, Siboney Ltd

*12(i) Visits

Visit (10-12 January 2005) to Oman as an Advisor - paid for by the Government of Oman
Visit to Oman (6-9 January 2006) as an Advisor - paid for by the Government of Oman
Visit to Oman (5-7 January 2007) as an Advisor - paid for by the Government of Oman

15(a) Membership of public bodies

Hon Fellow and visiting Professor, King's College, London
Board, Ben Gurion University, Israel
Board, Moscow School of Political Studies

15(b) Trusteeships of cultural bodies

Trustee Weidenfeld Institute

15(d) Office-holder in voluntary organisations

Colonel Commandant, Special Air Service
Colonel, Life Guards
Council Member, Institute of International and Strategic Studies
Member of Advisory Board, Arrábida Conflict Prevention Initiative
President, Action Medical Research
President, Army Benevolent Fund
President, Federation of London Youth Clubs
President, Progressive Supranuclear Palsy Association
President, Jubilee Action: Turkana Appeal
Vice-President, Trinity Institute for Christianity and Culture
Governor, Charterhouse, Clerkenwell
Chairman of Trustees, Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives, King's College
Patron, Order of Malta's Care Trust

16(b) Voluntary organisations

Vice President and Knight of Sovereign Military Order of Malta
Patron, Cardinal Hume Centre
Patron, UK Defence Forum
Patron, Oratory School
Patron, Second World War Experience Centre
Vice Patron, Atlantic Council "Partnership for Peace"

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa.../reg10.htm (Proof Positive)


Quote:Married with two grown up sons, Lord Guthrie is a practicing Catholic and a Knight of Malta. He is involved in several Catholic charities as well as being President of the Army Benevolent Fund; Action Research; Federation of London Youth Clubs and a Governor of The Charterhouse, Clerkenwell.

http://www.jesuit.org.uk/latest/070118.htm (Proof Positive II)

Social Network Diagram:

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_GUTH...RD%20GUTHRIE%29
Sources:

Quote:GUTHRIE CHARLES (GENERAL LORD GUTHRIE)
Britain 1996-2005

* Intelligence (Paris) 1996-11-04 (20)
* Intelligence (Paris) 2001-10-29 (8)
* Trilateral Commission. List of Members. 2002-01 (3)
* Trilateral Commission. List of Members. 2005-01 (3)

pages cited this search: 4

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?_GUTH...RD%20GUTHRIE%29]]>


Quote:General Charles Ronald Llewelyn Guthrie, Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank, GCB, LVO, OBE, DL (born 17 November 1938) was Chief of the Defence Staff between 1997 and 2001 and Chief of the General Staff, the professional head of the British Army, between 1994 and 1997. He notably clashed with Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown over military funding.

Army career

Educated at Harrow School and the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst he was commissioned into the Welsh Guards in 1959.[1]

In 1966 he became a troop commander and then in 1968 a squadron commander with 22 Special Air Service Regiment.[1]

In 1977 he was appointed Commanding Officer of 1 Battalion Welsh Guards. In 1981 he became Brigade Commander of 4th Armoured Brigade and in 1985 General Officer Commanding 2 Division.[1]

In 1987 he became Assistant Chief of the General Staff and in 1989 General Officer Commanding 1st British Corps.[1] In 1992 he took command of the British Army of the Rhine and in 1997 became Chief of the General Staff.

Later career

He is a cross bench member of the House of Lords. He was created a life peer as Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank, of Craigiebank in the City of Dundee, after retiring as Chief of the Defence Staff. He was one of the several retired Chiefs of Defence Staff who spoke out in the House of Lords about the risk to servicemen facing liability for their actions - for which politicians are ultimately responsible - before the International Criminal Court, particularly in respect to the invasion of Iraq.[2]

He is a director (non-executive) of N M Rothschild & Sons, Ashley Gardens Block 2 Ltd and Colt Defense LLC, and Chairman (non-executive) of Siboney Ltd.[3]

He is the president of several charities, including Action Medical Research, Army Benevolent Fund, Federation of London Youth Clubs and the Progressive Supranuclear Palsy Association.[3]

Criticism

Guthrie was criticised in 2008 by George Monbiot for an apparent lack of understanding of international law.[4] Monbiot based his argument on Guthrie's September 2002 advocacy of an invasion of Iraq and subsequent comments, in which he appeared to support launching "surprise wars", something forbidden by the United Nations charter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Guthr..._of_Craigiebank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Knights_of_Malta


Quote:2002 - In December of this year, Pilgrims Society member Lord Guthrie, former chief of the Defense Staff and out of office by then, is send to Turkey to discuss a possible invasion of Iraq via Turkey. He becomes an apologist for the Bush and Blair administrations, and warns the public for biological and nuclear attacks by terrorists. According to him, Syria is one of the largest supporters of terrorism. But who else is Lord Guthrie? He's a member of the Knights of Malta, a patron of the Cardinal Hume centre, a director of N.M. Rothschild & Sons, and represents the latter to the Trilateral Commission since 2002. In the past, Guthrie has been appointed Gold Stick to the Queen and Freeman of the City of London. He was also appointed Aide-de-Camp General to the Queen in 1993.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/pi...ociety.htm


Quote:General Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank. Educated at Harrow School and went to the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst in 1957. Commissioned into the Welsh Guards in 1959. Served with his Regiment as a young officer in the United Kingdom, Libya, Germany and Aden. Joined the SAS in 1966 and served in the Middle East, Malaysia and East Africa. Returned to the Welsh Guards in 1970 and for two years commanded an armoured infantry company in Germany. After a year as a student at the Staff College, he served in the Ministry of Defence as the Assistant to the Head of the Army, the Chief of the General Staff. Brigade Major of the Household Division 1975-1977. Commanded the Welsh Guards in Berlin and Northern Ireland 1977-1980. Appointed as a Colonel to the branch overseeing operations worldwide and during his time there became briefly the Commander British Forces New Hebrides (Vanuatu). In this function he recaptured the island of Espirito Santo, which had been taken over by insurgents. Awarded the Order of the British Empire in 1980. Appointed Commander of the 4th Armoured Brigade in Munster, West Germany, in 1981. Chief of Staff, Headquarters 1st British Corps in Bielefeld, early 1980s. Became the General Officer Commanding the 2nd Infantry Division and North East District in 1985. In 1986, he became Colonel Commandant of the Intelligence Corps. Knighted in 1990. Appointed Aide-de-Camp General to the Queen in 1993. Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath 1994. After a further tour in the Ministry of Defence he became in succession the Commander of the 1st British Corps, the Northern Army Group, the British Army of the Rhine before becoming the Chief of the General Staff and finally the Chief of the Defence Staff (1997-2001). CFR/MORI report 2001: "In his valedictory speech to the Pilgrims Society in London in May of this year, the outgoing Chief of the British Defence Staff, Field Marshall Lord Guthrie, stated that the USA was the most important ally Britain had ever had, and that NATO was its most important alliance." Became a Colonel of the Life Guards and Gold Stick to the Queen in 1999. Colonel Commandant of the SAS in 2000. Became Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank in June 2001. Special adviser to Aon Special Risks, the market leading Counter-Terrorism, Political Risks, Kidnap and Ransom insurance broker and risk consultant. Non-executive director of Advanced Interactive Systems Inc. and Colt Defense LLC. Joined N.M. Rothschild & Sons as a non-executive director at the latest in 2002. Annual visitor of the Trilateral Commission since 2002. Member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. Member of the steering committee of the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS). Member of the European Council of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. In December 2002, Blair sent Lord Guthrie and Jack Straw to Turkey as an unofficial military envoy to shore up support for an invasion of Iraq and to discuss plans to remove Saddam Hussein from power. In November 2003, he was honoured by the catholic Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George and the Royal Order of Francis I. Became a non-executive special advisor of Aon Special Risks in 2004, a leading Counter-Terrorism, Political Risks and Kidnap and Ransom insurance broker and risk consultant. Freeman of the City of London. Knight of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Patron of the Order of Malta's Care Trust. Patron of the (Catholic) Cardinal Hume Centre. Vice-president of the Trinity Institute for Christianity and Culture. Commander of the Legion of Merit USA. Member of the House of Lords. In May 2004, Guthrie said at a conference on terrorism that terrorists might kill millions in the future due to biological or even nuclear weapons. He also said that he did not think that Iraq had nuclear weapons, but that this was an understandable mistake of the Bush Administration. In that same year he stated that Syria was one of the largest supporters of terrorism and has been exploiting Lebanon for a long time. Attended a discussion of the Windsor Leadership Trust in 2005. October 7, 2001, The Observer: "Lord Guthrie, the suave former British Chief of Defence Staff, has been a close friend of [Pakistani president] Musharraf for more than 20 years." Visited Oman as a paid advisor between 9 to 11 January 2004 and 10-12 January 2005. Made two 1-day visits to Libya, 4 April, 2004 and 27 June 2004, which was paid for by Government of Libya. Patron of the The Second World War Experience Centre, together with the 7th Marquess of Salisbury (Robert Gascoyne-Cecil), who is a member of Le Cercle. Sits on the board of the Ben Gurion University in Israel. Ben-Gurion was the initial premier of Israel and a close friend to the Rothschilds. Sits on the board of the Moscow School of Political Studies, which receives grants from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. Council Member of the Institute of International and Strategic Studies and a member of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. Patron of the UK Defence Forum. Vice patron of the Atlantic Council Partnership for Peace. Knight Commander of Justice and member of the Council of the British and Irish Delegation of the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of St George (catholic). The wife of Guthrie and the Duchess of Norfolk are dames of this order.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/pi...ociety.htm


Quote:GUTHRIE OF CRAIGIEBANK, Lord

*12(e) Remunerated directorships

Non-executive Director, N M Rothschild & Sons Ltd
Non-executive Director, Ashley Gardens Block 2 Ltd
Non-executive Director, Colt Defense LLC
Non-executive Director, Sciens Capital
Non-executive Chairman, Siboney Ltd

*12(i) Visits

Visit (10-12 January 2005) to Oman as an Advisor - paid for by the Government of Oman
Visit to Oman (6-9 January 2006) as an Advisor - paid for by the Government of Oman
Visit to Oman (5-7 January 2007) as an Advisor - paid for by the Government of Oman

15(a) Membership of public bodies

Hon Fellow and visiting Professor, King's College, London
Board, Ben Gurion University, Israel
Board, Moscow School of Political Studies

15(b) Trusteeships of cultural bodies

Trustee Weidenfeld Institute

15(d) Office-holder in voluntary organisations

Colonel Commandant, Special Air Service
Colonel, Life Guards
Council Member, Institute of International and Strategic Studies
Member of Advisory Board, Arrábida Conflict Prevention Initiative
President, Action Medical Research
President, Army Benevolent Fund
President, Federation of London Youth Clubs
President, Progressive Supranuclear Palsy Association
President, Jubilee Action: Turkana Appeal
Vice-President, Trinity Institute for Christianity and Culture
Governor, Charterhouse, Clerkenwell
Chairman of Trustees, Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives, King's College
Patron, Order of Malta's Care Trust

16(b) Voluntary organisations

Vice President and Knight of Sovereign Military Order of Malta
Patron, Cardinal Hume Centre
Patron, UK Defence Forum
Patron, Oratory School
Patron, Second World War Experience Centre
Vice Patron, Atlantic Council "Partnership for Peace"

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa.../reg10.htm (Proof Positive)


Quote:Married with two grown up sons, Lord Guthrie is a practicing Catholic and a Knight of Malta. He is involved in several Catholic charities as well as being President of the Army Benevolent Fund; Action Research; Federation of London Youth Clubs and a Governor of The Charterhouse, Clerkenwell.

http://www.jesuit.org.uk/latest/070118.htm (Proof Positive II)

Social Network Diagram:

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_GUTH...RD%20GUTHRIE%29
Sources:

Quote:GUTHRIE CHARLES (GENERAL LORD GUTHRIE)
Britain 1996-2005

* Intelligence (Paris) 1996-11-04 (20)
* Intelligence (Paris) 2001-10-29 (8)
* Trilateral Commission. List of Members. 2002-01 (3)
* Trilateral Commission. List of Members. 2005-01 (3)

pages cited this search: 4

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?_GUTH...RD%20GUTHRIE%29]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=80 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:29:15 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=80

Quote:What You Didn't Know About Taxes & The 'Crown'

By Mark Owen

There are two Crowns operant in England, one being Queen Elizabeth II. Although extremely wealthy, the Queen functions largely in a ceremonial capacity and serves to deflect attention away from the other Crown, who issues her marching orders through their control of the English Parliament. This other Crown is comprised of a committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England (House of Rothschild). They rule the world from the 677-acre, independent sovereign state known as The City of London, or simply 'The City.'

The City is not a part of England, just as Washington is not a part of the USA. The City is referred to as the wealthiest square mile on earth and is presided over by a Lord Mayor who is appointed annually. When the Queen wishes to conduct business within the City, she is met by the Lord Mayor at Temple (Templar) Bar where she requests permission to enter this private, sovereign state. She then proceeds into the City walking several paces behind the Mayor. Her entourage may not be clothed in anything other than service uniforms.

In the nineteenth century, 90% of the world's trade was carried by British ships controlled by the Crown. The other 10% of ships had to pay commissions to the Crown simply for the privilege of using the world's oceans.

The Crown reaped billions in profits while operating under the protection of the British armed forces. This was not British commerce or British wealth, but the Crown's commerce and the Crown's wealth. As of 1850, author Frederick Morton estimated the Rothschild fortune to be in excess of $10 billion. Today, the bonded indebtedness of the world is held by the Crown.

The aforementioned Temple Bar is the juristic arm of the Crown and holds an exclusive monopoly on global legal fraud through their Bar Association franchises. The Temple Bar is comprised of four Inns of Court. They are; the Middle Temple, Inner Temple, Lincoln's Inn and Gray's Inn. The entry point to these closed secret societies is only to be found when one is called to their Bar.

The Bar attorneys in the United States owe their allegiance and pledge their oaths to the Crown. All Bar Associations throughout the world are signatories and franchises to the International Bar Association located at the Inns of Court of the Crown Temple.

The Inner Temple holds the legal system franchise by license that bleeds Canada and Great Britain white, while the Middle Temple has license to steal from America. To have the Declaration of Independence recognized internationally, Middle Templar King George III agreed in the Treaty of Paris of 1783 to establish the legal Crown entity of the incorporated United States, referred to internally as the Crown Temple States (Colonies). States spelled with a capital letter 'S,' denotes a legal entity of the Crown.

At least five Templar Bar Attorneys under solemn oath to the Crown, signed the American Declaration of Independence. This means that both parties were agents of the Crown. There is no lawful effect when a party signs as both the first and second parties. The Declaration was simply an internal memo circulating among private members of the Crown. Most Americans believe that they own their own land, but they have merely purchased real estate by contract. Upon fulfillment of the contract, control of the land is transferred by Warranty Deed. The Warranty Deed is only a 'color of title.' Color of Title is a semblance or appearance of title, but not title in fact or in law. The Warranty Deed cannot stand against the Land Patent.

The Crown was granted Land Patents in North America by the King of England. Colonials rebelled at the usurious Crown taxes, and thus the Declaration of Independence was created to pacify the populace.

Another method used to hoodwink natural persons is enfranchisement. Those cards in your wallet bearing your name spelled in all capital letters means that you have been enfranchised and have the status of a corporation. A 'juristic personality' has been created, and you have entered into multi-variant agreements that place you in an equity relationship with the Crown.

These invisible contracts include: birth certificates, citizenship records, employment agreements, driver's licenses and bank accounts. It is perhaps helpful to note here that contracts do not now, nor have they ever had to be stated in writing in order to be enforceable by American judges. If it is written down, it is merely a written statement of the contract.

Tax protestors and (the coming) draft resistors trying to renounce the parts of these contracts that they now disagree with will not profit by resorting to tort law (fairness) arguments as justification. Judges will reject these lines of defense as they have no bearing on contract law jurisprudence. Tort law governs grievances where no contract law is in effect.

These private agreements/contracts that bind us will always overrule the broad general clauses of the Constitution and Bill of Rights (the Constitution being essentially a renamed enactment of English common law). The Bill of Rights is viewed by the Crown as a 'bill of benefits,' conferred on us by them in anticipation of reciprocity (taxes). Protestors and resistors will also lose their cases by boasting of citizenship status. Citizenship is another equity agreement that we have with the Crown. And this is the very juristic contract that Federal judges will use to incarcerate them. In the words of former Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, "Equity is brutal, but we are merely enforcing agreements." The balance of Title 42, section 1981 of the Civil Rights Code states, ".citizens shall be subject to like punishment, pains, penalties, taxes, licenses, and exactions of every kind"

What we view as citizenship, the Crown views as a juristic enrichment instrumentality. It also should be borne in mind that even cursory circulation or commercial use of Federal Reserve Notes effects an attachment of liability for the payment of the Crown's debt to the FED. This is measured by your taxable income. And to facilitate future asset-stripping, the end of the 14th amendment includes a state of debt hypothecation of the United States, wherein all enfranchised persons (that's you) can be held personally liable for the Crown's debt.

The Crown views our participation in these contracts of commercial equity as being voluntary and that any gain accrued is taxable, as the gain wouldn't have been possible were it not for the Crown. They view the system of interstate banks as their own property. Any profit or gain experienced by anyone with a bank account (or loan, mortgage or credit card) carries with it - as an operation of law - the identical same full force and effect as if the Crown had created the gain.

Bank accounts fall outside the umbrella of Fourth Amendment protection because a commercial contract is in effect and the Bill of Rights cannot be held to interfere with the execution of commercial contracts. The Crown also views bank account records as their own private property, pursuant to the bank contract that each of us signed and that none of us ever read.

The rare individual who actually reads the bank contract will find that they agreed to be bound by Title 26 and under section 7202 agreed not to disseminate any fraudulent tax advice. This written contract with the Crown also acknowledges that bank notes are taxable instruments of commerce.

When we initially opened a bank account, another juristic personality was created. It is this personality (income and assets) that IRS agents are excising back to the Crown through taxation.

A lot of ink is being spilled currently over Social Security. Possession of a Social Security Number is known in the Crown's lex as 'conclusive evidence' of our having accepted federal commercial benefits. This is another example of an equity relationship with the Crown. Presenting one's Social Security Number to an employer seals our status as taxpayers, and gives rise to liability for a reciprocal quid pro quo payment of taxes to the Crown.

Through the Social Security Number we are accepting future retirement endowment benefits. Social Security is a strange animal. If you die, your spouse gets nothing, but rather, what would have gone to you is divided (forfeited) among other premium payers who haven't died yet.

But the Crown views failure to reciprocate in any of these equity attachments as an act of defilement and will proceed against us with all due prejudice. For a person to escape the tentacles of the Crown octopus, a thoroughgoing study of American jurisprudence is required. One would have to be deemed a 'stranger to the public trust,' forfeit all enfranchisement benefits and close all bank accounts, among other things. Citizenship would have to be made null and forfeit and the status of 'denizen' enacted. If there are any such natural persons extant who have passed through this fire, I would certainly appreciate hearing from them

Mark Owen is a freelance writer living in Toronto, Canada. He can be reached at markowen10@hotmail.com

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Quote:What You Didn't Know About Taxes & The 'Crown'

By Mark Owen

There are two Crowns operant in England, one being Queen Elizabeth II. Although extremely wealthy, the Queen functions largely in a ceremonial capacity and serves to deflect attention away from the other Crown, who issues her marching orders through their control of the English Parliament. This other Crown is comprised of a committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England (House of Rothschild). They rule the world from the 677-acre, independent sovereign state known as The City of London, or simply 'The City.'

The City is not a part of England, just as Washington is not a part of the USA. The City is referred to as the wealthiest square mile on earth and is presided over by a Lord Mayor who is appointed annually. When the Queen wishes to conduct business within the City, she is met by the Lord Mayor at Temple (Templar) Bar where she requests permission to enter this private, sovereign state. She then proceeds into the City walking several paces behind the Mayor. Her entourage may not be clothed in anything other than service uniforms.

In the nineteenth century, 90% of the world's trade was carried by British ships controlled by the Crown. The other 10% of ships had to pay commissions to the Crown simply for the privilege of using the world's oceans.

The Crown reaped billions in profits while operating under the protection of the British armed forces. This was not British commerce or British wealth, but the Crown's commerce and the Crown's wealth. As of 1850, author Frederick Morton estimated the Rothschild fortune to be in excess of $10 billion. Today, the bonded indebtedness of the world is held by the Crown.

The aforementioned Temple Bar is the juristic arm of the Crown and holds an exclusive monopoly on global legal fraud through their Bar Association franchises. The Temple Bar is comprised of four Inns of Court. They are; the Middle Temple, Inner Temple, Lincoln's Inn and Gray's Inn. The entry point to these closed secret societies is only to be found when one is called to their Bar.

The Bar attorneys in the United States owe their allegiance and pledge their oaths to the Crown. All Bar Associations throughout the world are signatories and franchises to the International Bar Association located at the Inns of Court of the Crown Temple.

The Inner Temple holds the legal system franchise by license that bleeds Canada and Great Britain white, while the Middle Temple has license to steal from America. To have the Declaration of Independence recognized internationally, Middle Templar King George III agreed in the Treaty of Paris of 1783 to establish the legal Crown entity of the incorporated United States, referred to internally as the Crown Temple States (Colonies). States spelled with a capital letter 'S,' denotes a legal entity of the Crown.

At least five Templar Bar Attorneys under solemn oath to the Crown, signed the American Declaration of Independence. This means that both parties were agents of the Crown. There is no lawful effect when a party signs as both the first and second parties. The Declaration was simply an internal memo circulating among private members of the Crown. Most Americans believe that they own their own land, but they have merely purchased real estate by contract. Upon fulfillment of the contract, control of the land is transferred by Warranty Deed. The Warranty Deed is only a 'color of title.' Color of Title is a semblance or appearance of title, but not title in fact or in law. The Warranty Deed cannot stand against the Land Patent.

The Crown was granted Land Patents in North America by the King of England. Colonials rebelled at the usurious Crown taxes, and thus the Declaration of Independence was created to pacify the populace.

Another method used to hoodwink natural persons is enfranchisement. Those cards in your wallet bearing your name spelled in all capital letters means that you have been enfranchised and have the status of a corporation. A 'juristic personality' has been created, and you have entered into multi-variant agreements that place you in an equity relationship with the Crown.

These invisible contracts include: birth certificates, citizenship records, employment agreements, driver's licenses and bank accounts. It is perhaps helpful to note here that contracts do not now, nor have they ever had to be stated in writing in order to be enforceable by American judges. If it is written down, it is merely a written statement of the contract.

Tax protestors and (the coming) draft resistors trying to renounce the parts of these contracts that they now disagree with will not profit by resorting to tort law (fairness) arguments as justification. Judges will reject these lines of defense as they have no bearing on contract law jurisprudence. Tort law governs grievances where no contract law is in effect.

These private agreements/contracts that bind us will always overrule the broad general clauses of the Constitution and Bill of Rights (the Constitution being essentially a renamed enactment of English common law). The Bill of Rights is viewed by the Crown as a 'bill of benefits,' conferred on us by them in anticipation of reciprocity (taxes). Protestors and resistors will also lose their cases by boasting of citizenship status. Citizenship is another equity agreement that we have with the Crown. And this is the very juristic contract that Federal judges will use to incarcerate them. In the words of former Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, "Equity is brutal, but we are merely enforcing agreements." The balance of Title 42, section 1981 of the Civil Rights Code states, ".citizens shall be subject to like punishment, pains, penalties, taxes, licenses, and exactions of every kind"

What we view as citizenship, the Crown views as a juristic enrichment instrumentality. It also should be borne in mind that even cursory circulation or commercial use of Federal Reserve Notes effects an attachment of liability for the payment of the Crown's debt to the FED. This is measured by your taxable income. And to facilitate future asset-stripping, the end of the 14th amendment includes a state of debt hypothecation of the United States, wherein all enfranchised persons (that's you) can be held personally liable for the Crown's debt.

The Crown views our participation in these contracts of commercial equity as being voluntary and that any gain accrued is taxable, as the gain wouldn't have been possible were it not for the Crown. They view the system of interstate banks as their own property. Any profit or gain experienced by anyone with a bank account (or loan, mortgage or credit card) carries with it - as an operation of law - the identical same full force and effect as if the Crown had created the gain.

Bank accounts fall outside the umbrella of Fourth Amendment protection because a commercial contract is in effect and the Bill of Rights cannot be held to interfere with the execution of commercial contracts. The Crown also views bank account records as their own private property, pursuant to the bank contract that each of us signed and that none of us ever read.

The rare individual who actually reads the bank contract will find that they agreed to be bound by Title 26 and under section 7202 agreed not to disseminate any fraudulent tax advice. This written contract with the Crown also acknowledges that bank notes are taxable instruments of commerce.

When we initially opened a bank account, another juristic personality was created. It is this personality (income and assets) that IRS agents are excising back to the Crown through taxation.

A lot of ink is being spilled currently over Social Security. Possession of a Social Security Number is known in the Crown's lex as 'conclusive evidence' of our having accepted federal commercial benefits. This is another example of an equity relationship with the Crown. Presenting one's Social Security Number to an employer seals our status as taxpayers, and gives rise to liability for a reciprocal quid pro quo payment of taxes to the Crown.

Through the Social Security Number we are accepting future retirement endowment benefits. Social Security is a strange animal. If you die, your spouse gets nothing, but rather, what would have gone to you is divided (forfeited) among other premium payers who haven't died yet.

But the Crown views failure to reciprocate in any of these equity attachments as an act of defilement and will proceed against us with all due prejudice. For a person to escape the tentacles of the Crown octopus, a thoroughgoing study of American jurisprudence is required. One would have to be deemed a 'stranger to the public trust,' forfeit all enfranchisement benefits and close all bank accounts, among other things. Citizenship would have to be made null and forfeit and the status of 'denizen' enacted. If there are any such natural persons extant who have passed through this fire, I would certainly appreciate hearing from them

Mark Owen is a freelance writer living in Toronto, Canada. He can be reached at markowen10@hotmail.com

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http://www.botcast.net/shows/BotCast-0022.mp3


Rob discusses:
Sections 38, 39, 126, 127 of Criminal Code of Canada
Notice of Understanding and Intent
Claim of Right
Bills of Exchange and billing for orders (ie. judges, cops)
Birth Certificate and Bonds
Student Loan Discharges
Mortgage Discharges
Permanent Estoppel by Acquiescence
Claims overriding Eminent Domain

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Quote:Download to listen (sorry, couldn't link directly to webplayer) or go to web page above.
http://www.botcast.net/shows/BotCast-0022.mp3


Rob discusses:
Sections 38, 39, 126, 127 of Criminal Code of Canada
Notice of Understanding and Intent
Claim of Right
Bills of Exchange and billing for orders (ie. judges, cops)
Birth Certificate and Bonds
Student Loan Discharges
Mortgage Discharges
Permanent Estoppel by Acquiescence
Claims overriding Eminent Domain

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Freeman-on-the-Land Denis, on taxes:
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Freeman-on-the-Land Denis, on taxes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI0KsUdS8oM]]> http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=76 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:51:05 +0000 http://www.honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=76 http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4...0300381284

Choosing Freedom Part 1 of 2
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...&plindex=0

Choosing Freedom Part 2 of 2
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...&plindex=4

Getting In the Middle
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...5561701362

Choosing Freedom 2 - Part 1/3
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...&plindex=2

Choosing Freedom 2 - Part 2/3
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...&plindex=2

Choosing Freedom 2 - Part 3/3
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...&plindex=0

Choosing Freedom - An Introduction Part 1/3 Who she is 8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J9gRNPWf6s

Choosing Freedom - An Introduction Part 2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnqjnbJ6m-I

Choosing Freedom - An Introduction Part 3/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqlf0qQPoq4]]>