02-22-2008, 09:22 AM
Credit goes to 'lakeshorebaby' and 'nightrider' here at thinkfree.ca forum
Quote:
Originally posted by nightrider:
Tim Madden, a Canadian forensic economist, on mortgage and credit card fraud by companies, and how to equal the playing field.
Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (Fraud)
- loan is a financing arrangement whereby an enterprise provide funds in a creditor debtor relationship. These include financing instruments that are classified legally as equity but where the instrument reflects a creditor debtor relationship.
-in other words the instrument, the promissory note that you sign that has generated the funds, but they classify it as equity (outside statutory law?) - it has been falsified to make it look like the enterprise claims that it brought the fund to the table.
People are the sources of all credit in society. There are two types of so called money in society, BoEs that create credit, and bank notes. In Canada what has happened is that each time that you get credit from a bank in the form of a mortgage, credit card or line of credit, your signature on the paper creates a Bill of Exchange(BoE) or promise to pay. Once your signature is on it, this is in effect, and legally, currency. But we are tricked into giving to them as a gift. After we sign the paper, we hand it across the table and give it to them. We have just given them a promise to pay. As far as they are concerned, that currency is now theirs. They then use it to open up credit in our name as a loan to us. There are no bank notes created. You are given the credit or cash to use as if it had come from their reserves. But really it originated from us and we gave it to them. However the wording on the document is deceptive. It says we have already received the loan when we sign it. But we haven't. The bank person doesn't set up the account with that currency we create until after we sign the paper and give it to them. The document also says that we must pay them yet again in legal tender or credit. So in effect we are paying them twice, plus interest. They haven't put anything truly of their own on the table, only what we gave them after signing the paper that make it currency, and were tricked into handing across the table to them effectively as a gift. So we create the currency/BoE, give it to them, and they loan it back to us at interest.
The government is allowing all banks to do this. To use the borrowers equity (borrower's signature creating a promise to pay) to issue cost free credit to them based on that equity, and bypass the lawful currency system altogether. As a consequence to this, governments print almost no money.
So using statutes such as:
*Criminal Code of Canada
*Canadian Fair Debt Collection Act.
*Credit Card Charges Disclosure Legislation.
*Clean Hands Doctrine.
*Section 8 of the Interest Act.
*There are about thirty statutory laws broken by banks everyday.
-->the main criminal issues involved are:
1. Agency issue - the bank, mortgage or credit card company is acting as your person's agent without your knowledge, issuing credit created by you through your signature and based on your future promise to pay, but treating this credit as their own. Non disclosure.
2. Fraud issue.
3. Criminal interest issue.
*Receiving Secret Commissions while acting as an agent.
-credit card companies charging 1-5% to stores to have use of their services. It's against the law.
-Crown vs Kelly 1992
-Section 426 Criminal Code
*Omitting Material Particulars from a Valuable Security (Credit Cards)
-credit card companies receiving secret commissions from merchant, the 1-5% they charge them for use of the card (illegal).
-taints the Bills of Exchange created by your use of a credit card.
-technically money laundering under the Bills of Exchange Act.
*Waiving Presentment - taking money from your card as late payment, without 72 hours notice. A right supposedly signed away by you when you signed for the card. But it was not disclosed to you so is unenforcable according to Madden.
*Knowingly participating in a criminal scheme.
-Section 21 of the Criminal Code
*Sections 300, 301, 302 (Extortion by Threat of Liable) makes it a criminal offense to report you to a credit reporting agency without full details of why you stopped paying. Even if they have valid cause they can't even do this.
Credit Cards: Not actually a loan. Actually a funding instrument/bill of exchange from us to them based on our future promise to pay. When you sign for a credit card (or line of credit or mortgage), this is a bill of exchange and it recorded on the credit card companies books as a deposit from you. And they are acting as your agent. They skim money off the top of every transaction you make with the card by scamming the merchant (Receiving Secret Commissions while acting as an Agent).
Mortgages (aren't true mortgages):
1. Constructive (Objective) Forgery under Section 388 of the Criminal Code
-You haven't already received the mortgage money yet even though it says that you have on the front of the mortgage instrument when you are reading it before signing, because it's the signing of the instrument itself which creates the credit.
2. Fictitious Consideration (Material Forgery) on the face of the mortgage.
-they never give you any credit, it was already yours (given to them as a gift although you don't know you did this) so there is nothing for you to pay back even though they say you have to.
Loans: Each loan you get, you generate the credit through the promissory note. The credit is made in your name as a future promise to pay (a bill of exchange/unconditional promise to pay, an hypothication into the future). You are in fact, when you give them the promissory note/future promise to pay to the banker after signing it, giving it to them as a gift. Then they are richer because the credit was generated by you, and you are giving it to the bank. Then they issue credit back to you as if it came from them and charge you interest for it.
Demand Deposit Instruments
-it unlawful for us to write bad checks
-but it's just as unlawful, and a breech of fiduciary duty for the bank to pay out an automatic debit to themselves or some other company, knowing that there is no money in your account.
-but they do this to charge NSF charges on your account.
Deposits: Physically make the banks rich. They get the heavy metals or cash but only issue credit in return. Liquidates metals and bank notes from society.
Interest:
i) Use of other people's lawful money (Gold Silver etc).
ii) Forbearance(deposit interest) - interest payments that pay you to not demand the lawful money that they owe you.
At this point in history, there is no money, just promises to pay money, either as credit or as bank notes. Very few gold and silver coins in circulation. All sucked into the banks as interest on fictitious credit created when we sign promissory notes and create effective currency.
*The Bank Act actually recognizes that credit and credit cards are free money to banks so they have to write off the amount after 180 days in default. They can't sell credit card debt to anyone else.
The law recognizes 'money' that banks make honestly vs 'money' that they make dishonestly. Even though you feel you might have gotten something for nothing by taking a loan or credit and not paying it back, the law recognizes the lesser of two evils, meaning that your not paying back the loan pails in comparison to the bank fraud that got you there in the first place, if you know how to use the law to your advantage.
Plan of Action:
a) Figure out what they are doing (it's just a machine)
b) Figure out how to beat them at their own game
c) Execution of your plan
-notices of 30 days, 10 days and 10 days
-Statement of Discovery
-Notice of Suspension of Account Pending Resolution of The Issues
*Sections 300, 301, 302 (Extortion by Threat of Liable) makes it a criminal offense to report you to a credit reporting agency without full details of why you stopped paying. Even if they have valid cause they can't even do this.
If it does get to court, Madden suggests arguing equity, not law, because in fact you broke statutory law too and dirtied your hands by falsifying the document by signing a mortgage that said you had already received the money and were the registered owner of the property. Instead say "I want an equitable accounting of this mortgage transaction. What did you really bring to the table? Who really brought the money to the transaction?".
http://www.fortruth.org/TimM.mp3
http://download144.mediafire.com/igynzlj...Credit.mp3
http://download143.mediafire.com/d22ujnv...Agency.mp3
7th Fire
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and..._beast.htm
U of Money
http://www.uofmoney.com/services/drsm.htm
Tim Madden, a Canadian forensic economist, on mortgage and credit card fraud by companies, and how to equal the playing field.
Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (Fraud)
- loan is a financing arrangement whereby an enterprise provide funds in a creditor debtor relationship. These include financing instruments that are classified legally as equity but where the instrument reflects a creditor debtor relationship.
-in other words the instrument, the promissory note that you sign that has generated the funds, but they classify it as equity (outside statutory law?) - it has been falsified to make it look like the enterprise claims that it brought the fund to the table.
People are the sources of all credit in society. There are two types of so called money in society, BoEs that create credit, and bank notes. In Canada what has happened is that each time that you get credit from a bank in the form of a mortgage, credit card or line of credit, your signature on the paper creates a Bill of Exchange(BoE) or promise to pay. Once your signature is on it, this is in effect, and legally, currency. But we are tricked into giving to them as a gift. After we sign the paper, we hand it across the table and give it to them. We have just given them a promise to pay. As far as they are concerned, that currency is now theirs. They then use it to open up credit in our name as a loan to us. There are no bank notes created. You are given the credit or cash to use as if it had come from their reserves. But really it originated from us and we gave it to them. However the wording on the document is deceptive. It says we have already received the loan when we sign it. But we haven't. The bank person doesn't set up the account with that currency we create until after we sign the paper and give it to them. The document also says that we must pay them yet again in legal tender or credit. So in effect we are paying them twice, plus interest. They haven't put anything truly of their own on the table, only what we gave them after signing the paper that make it currency, and were tricked into handing across the table to them effectively as a gift. So we create the currency/BoE, give it to them, and they loan it back to us at interest.
The government is allowing all banks to do this. To use the borrowers equity (borrower's signature creating a promise to pay) to issue cost free credit to them based on that equity, and bypass the lawful currency system altogether. As a consequence to this, governments print almost no money.
So using statutes such as:
*Criminal Code of Canada
*Canadian Fair Debt Collection Act.
*Credit Card Charges Disclosure Legislation.
*Clean Hands Doctrine.
*Section 8 of the Interest Act.
*There are about thirty statutory laws broken by banks everyday.
-->the main criminal issues involved are:
1. Agency issue - the bank, mortgage or credit card company is acting as your person's agent without your knowledge, issuing credit created by you through your signature and based on your future promise to pay, but treating this credit as their own. Non disclosure.
2. Fraud issue.
3. Criminal interest issue.
*Receiving Secret Commissions while acting as an agent.
-credit card companies charging 1-5% to stores to have use of their services. It's against the law.
-Crown vs Kelly 1992
-Section 426 Criminal Code
*Omitting Material Particulars from a Valuable Security (Credit Cards)
-credit card companies receiving secret commissions from merchant, the 1-5% they charge them for use of the card (illegal).
-taints the Bills of Exchange created by your use of a credit card.
-technically money laundering under the Bills of Exchange Act.
*Waiving Presentment - taking money from your card as late payment, without 72 hours notice. A right supposedly signed away by you when you signed for the card. But it was not disclosed to you so is unenforcable according to Madden.
*Knowingly participating in a criminal scheme.
-Section 21 of the Criminal Code
*Sections 300, 301, 302 (Extortion by Threat of Liable) makes it a criminal offense to report you to a credit reporting agency without full details of why you stopped paying. Even if they have valid cause they can't even do this.
Credit Cards: Not actually a loan. Actually a funding instrument/bill of exchange from us to them based on our future promise to pay. When you sign for a credit card (or line of credit or mortgage), this is a bill of exchange and it recorded on the credit card companies books as a deposit from you. And they are acting as your agent. They skim money off the top of every transaction you make with the card by scamming the merchant (Receiving Secret Commissions while acting as an Agent).
Mortgages (aren't true mortgages):
1. Constructive (Objective) Forgery under Section 388 of the Criminal Code
-You haven't already received the mortgage money yet even though it says that you have on the front of the mortgage instrument when you are reading it before signing, because it's the signing of the instrument itself which creates the credit.
2. Fictitious Consideration (Material Forgery) on the face of the mortgage.
-they never give you any credit, it was already yours (given to them as a gift although you don't know you did this) so there is nothing for you to pay back even though they say you have to.
Loans: Each loan you get, you generate the credit through the promissory note. The credit is made in your name as a future promise to pay (a bill of exchange/unconditional promise to pay, an hypothication into the future). You are in fact, when you give them the promissory note/future promise to pay to the banker after signing it, giving it to them as a gift. Then they are richer because the credit was generated by you, and you are giving it to the bank. Then they issue credit back to you as if it came from them and charge you interest for it.
Demand Deposit Instruments
-it unlawful for us to write bad checks
-but it's just as unlawful, and a breech of fiduciary duty for the bank to pay out an automatic debit to themselves or some other company, knowing that there is no money in your account.
-but they do this to charge NSF charges on your account.
Deposits: Physically make the banks rich. They get the heavy metals or cash but only issue credit in return. Liquidates metals and bank notes from society.
Interest:
i) Use of other people's lawful money (Gold Silver etc).
ii) Forbearance(deposit interest) - interest payments that pay you to not demand the lawful money that they owe you.
At this point in history, there is no money, just promises to pay money, either as credit or as bank notes. Very few gold and silver coins in circulation. All sucked into the banks as interest on fictitious credit created when we sign promissory notes and create effective currency.
*The Bank Act actually recognizes that credit and credit cards are free money to banks so they have to write off the amount after 180 days in default. They can't sell credit card debt to anyone else.
The law recognizes 'money' that banks make honestly vs 'money' that they make dishonestly. Even though you feel you might have gotten something for nothing by taking a loan or credit and not paying it back, the law recognizes the lesser of two evils, meaning that your not paying back the loan pails in comparison to the bank fraud that got you there in the first place, if you know how to use the law to your advantage.
Plan of Action:
a) Figure out what they are doing (it's just a machine)
b) Figure out how to beat them at their own game
c) Execution of your plan
-notices of 30 days, 10 days and 10 days
-Statement of Discovery
-Notice of Suspension of Account Pending Resolution of The Issues
*Sections 300, 301, 302 (Extortion by Threat of Liable) makes it a criminal offense to report you to a credit reporting agency without full details of why you stopped paying. Even if they have valid cause they can't even do this.
If it does get to court, Madden suggests arguing equity, not law, because in fact you broke statutory law too and dirtied your hands by falsifying the document by signing a mortgage that said you had already received the money and were the registered owner of the property. Instead say "I want an equitable accounting of this mortgage transaction. What did you really bring to the table? Who really brought the money to the transaction?".
http://www.fortruth.org/TimM.mp3
http://download144.mediafire.com/igynzlj...Credit.mp3
http://download143.mediafire.com/d22ujnv...Agency.mp3
7th Fire
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and..._beast.htm
U of Money
http://www.uofmoney.com/services/drsm.htm